Comments on: Dr. Williams Speaks to Matthew Tully http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/ An Online Forum for Voices to be Heard and Facts Understood Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:44:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Nathan http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2908 Nathan Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:50:10 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2908 So, this blog is at a crossroads, maybe? If this post is true, do you continue to support Williams in his endeavors or do you purpose to move past Williams and continue to belittle the school board? Not that belittling the school board is all bad - it has got its fair share of problems, but if Williams is out of the picture, is there reason to continue the blog? Obviously, this is all speculation...but in the next few weeks (maybe months), I would bet money on a situation close to the one Tully is suggesting that will transpire. So, this blog is at a crossroads, maybe? If this post is true, do you continue to support Williams in his endeavors or do you purpose to move past Williams and continue to belittle the school board? Not that belittling the school board is all bad - it has got its fair share of problems, but if Williams is out of the picture, is there reason to continue the blog?
Obviously, this is all speculation…but in the next few weeks (maybe months), I would bet money on a situation close to the one Tully is suggesting that will transpire.

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By: Admin http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2910 Admin Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:09:22 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2910 I don't know if I'd say it's at a crossroads. If things progress as I would hope and Dr. Williams is reinstated into his position of Superintendent, this website would probably not continue to be updated. It wouldn't be taken down though as long as I have the resources to maintain the hosting and general upgrades and upkeep. My efforts to continue overseeing the actions of the board would not change though, those efforts will continue as long as there is a board in control that I don't feel I can trust to best handle the education of my kids. I don’t know if I’d say it’s at a crossroads. If things progress as I would hope and Dr. Williams is reinstated into his position of Superintendent, this website would probably not continue to be updated. It wouldn’t be taken down though as long as I have the resources to maintain the hosting and general upgrades and upkeep.

My efforts to continue overseeing the actions of the board would not change though, those efforts will continue as long as there is a board in control that I don’t feel I can trust to best handle the education of my kids.

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By: Calling Dr. Williams http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2916 Calling Dr. Williams Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:02:08 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2916 Maybe Dr. Williams did not ask for the public support he has received here. But he accepted it and privately encouraged it. He owes his supporters more than just a negotiation for his exit. He needs to publicly address the minor complaints of the board and propose how things will be different should he return. With all the support he has received, he has never publicly moved one inch to a peaceable resolution. Lawyers…schmallers…it’s time he takes that last step before he stakes his claim to the township treasure chest and sails into the sunset. I’m sure he would say that he has made these proposals in private and it would weaken his “bargaining” position to go public. If it’s always been about the money, he didn’t deserve the support of so many. Sure, his treatment by the board majority has been horrendous. But without taking ANY public responsibility to prove his good-faith effort, he has only “used” the support to take more of our kids’ money. Legal, yes. Ethical, maybe. Moral, no way. It would be a tragedy if the bottom line looks like this: Nancy Walsh – Winner (she gets to show the world how she “won’t be bullied”) Doug Williams – Winner (early retirement, big money for no work) Perry Students/Taxpayers/Williams Supporters – Big Losers (betrayed by a “great” leader, huge financial hit, still stuck with a pathetic board majority) The board was wrong. Dr. Williams deserved much better. But if he can go public about his payoff and exit, he should go public with his proposal to stay. Yes, it’s a bad situation for everyone, but it’s time for Dr. Williams to prove he still deserves this massive support. Please, Dr. Williams, do the right thing. Right now. Thanks for considering.... Maybe Dr. Williams did not ask for the public support he has received here. But he accepted it and privately encouraged it. He owes his supporters more than just a negotiation for his exit. He needs to publicly address the minor complaints of the board and propose how things will be different should he return. With all the support he has received, he has never publicly moved one inch to a peaceable resolution. Lawyers…schmallers…it’s time he takes that last step before he stakes his claim to the township treasure chest and sails into the sunset.

I’m sure he would say that he has made these proposals in private and it would weaken his “bargaining” position to go public. If it’s always been about the money, he didn’t deserve the support of so many. Sure, his treatment by the board majority has been horrendous. But without taking ANY public responsibility to prove his good-faith effort, he has only “used” the support to take more of our kids’ money.

Legal, yes. Ethical, maybe. Moral, no way.

It would be a tragedy if the bottom line looks like this:

Nancy Walsh – Winner (she gets to show the world how she “won’t be bullied”)

Doug Williams – Winner (early retirement, big money for no work)

Perry Students/Taxpayers/Williams Supporters – Big Losers (betrayed by a “great” leader, huge financial hit, still stuck with a pathetic board majority)

The board was wrong. Dr. Williams deserved much better. But if he can go public about his payoff and exit, he should go public with his proposal to stay. Yes, it’s a bad situation for everyone, but it’s time for Dr. Williams to prove he still deserves this massive support.

Please, Dr. Williams, do the right thing. Right now.

Thanks for considering….

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By: Admin http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2917 Admin Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:19:23 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2917 Of course I'll post your comment. I rarely moderate anything out completely, maybe an edit here and there for people using language or phrasing that's inappropriate in my opinion. However, I pretty much let anyone make whatever points and share their opinions as much as possible if they're civil about it. I'm not worried about your IP address, or many other people's for that matter. It's only people who repeatedly antagonize and attack without having the courage to put their own name behind it that starts to draw my attention, especially when what appears to be the same "voice" does it under a variety of pseudonyms. I'm not sure why you think you deserve to hear the inner workings of our core group of people, but again that's your opinion. In my estimations, it's the equivalent of an executive session of the board, so if they want to share with me what goes on in those meetings, I'll start sharing what goes on in ours. As for Dr. William's efforts at a resolution, I have no clue. I hope at the very least it's a resignation of two for one. If Dr. Williams is going to leave the township, we absolutely can't leave it in the hands of the current board majority to bring us out of this mess. As for his "privately encouraging" the support you're wrong there, at least from my perspective. Not sure if you're implying as others have that we've all been bought and paid for by him, but trust me when I say I've spent far more on this cause than I've gained from it, which is $0.00. I'd be interested in you providing a concise list of the minor complaints the board has had with him. It seems to me all of those items could have been worked out in mediation at the least if the board majority had really been interested in working together. He's never staked his claim in th township's treasure chest, only his compensation package that is rightfully due him. Would you walk away from 3 years of your salary and benefits if your contract stated it was owed to you and the charges brought up against you were bogus or not enough to precipitate your firing? Again, it's never been about the money. Staying and fighting this battle has cost him more personally than I'm sure I can even imagine. It's amazing to me you keep stating the he's been the one to take money from the township and the kids. He's yet to spend any money that he hasn't earned through his contract and employment through the township. The board on the other hand has spent and or lost 100's of thousands of dollars out of our township's general fund which is used directly for programs for students and schools. Who's claiming the township treasure chest money? Of course I’ll post your comment. I rarely moderate anything out completely, maybe an edit here and there for people using language or phrasing that’s inappropriate in my opinion. However, I pretty much let anyone make whatever points and share their opinions as much as possible if they’re civil about it.

I’m not worried about your IP address, or many other people’s for that matter. It’s only people who repeatedly antagonize and attack without having the courage to put their own name behind it that starts to draw my attention, especially when what appears to be the same “voice” does it under a variety of pseudonyms.

I’m not sure why you think you deserve to hear the inner workings of our core group of people, but again that’s your opinion. In my estimations, it’s the equivalent of an executive session of the board, so if they want to share with me what goes on in those meetings, I’ll start sharing what goes on in ours.

As for Dr. William’s efforts at a resolution, I have no clue. I hope at the very least it’s a resignation of two for one. If Dr. Williams is going to leave the township, we absolutely can’t leave it in the hands of the current board majority to bring us out of this mess.

As for his “privately encouraging” the support you’re wrong there, at least from my perspective. Not sure if you’re implying as others have that we’ve all been bought and paid for by him, but trust me when I say I’ve spent far more on this cause than I’ve gained from it, which is $0.00.

I’d be interested in you providing a concise list of the minor complaints the board has had with him. It seems to me all of those items could have been worked out in mediation at the least if the board majority had really been interested in working together.

He’s never staked his claim in th township’s treasure chest, only his compensation package that is rightfully due him. Would you walk away from 3 years of your salary and benefits if your contract stated it was owed to you and the charges brought up against you were bogus or not enough to precipitate your firing? Again, it’s never been about the money. Staying and fighting this battle has cost him more personally than I’m sure I can even imagine.

It’s amazing to me you keep stating the he’s been the one to take money from the township and the kids. He’s yet to spend any money that he hasn’t earned through his contract and employment through the township. The board on the other hand has spent and or lost 100’s of thousands of dollars out of our township’s general fund which is used directly for programs for students and schools. Who’s claiming the township treasure chest money?

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By: Nathan http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2918 Nathan Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:08:51 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2918 I don't see how you can throw Perry students in the group of big losers. People keep mentioning how students actually are affected by the board - the majority of them don't even care what's happening. People mention that it has hurt the morale of the schools. While we had some outspoken teachers concerning this issue, school proceeded as usual. It likewise proceeded as usual when we lost our principal. It's really, really difficult to greatly alter the morale and day-to-day happenings of a school. I think some people are making this issue a lot bigger than it needs to be. It is a significant issue, sure, but it's not the end all of Perry Township education. I don’t see how you can throw Perry students in the group of big losers. People keep mentioning how students actually are affected by the board - the majority of them don’t even care what’s happening. People mention that it has hurt the morale of the schools. While we had some outspoken teachers concerning this issue, school proceeded as usual. It likewise proceeded as usual when we lost our principal. It’s really, really difficult to greatly alter the morale and day-to-day happenings of a school. I think some people are making this issue a lot bigger than it needs to be. It is a significant issue, sure, but it’s not the end all of Perry Township education.

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By: Perry Dad http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2919 Perry Dad Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:34:06 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2919 If Williams wants to leave, that's his call and right. And if he does leave, at least he knows he had strong support from the public, teachers, and at least part of the school board through these extremely harsh months. Personally I'm supporting Dr. Williams because, from my perspective, I believe his leadership has been good for the township. My children HAVE benefited from his leadership. They attend EXCELLENT Edison schools and have had very positive (i might say inspiring) PERSONAL contact with Dr. Williams. As a parent who watched the man interact with my children (long before any of this school board nonsense began), I am convinced that he loves children and education. My children's teachers have rallied behind the man as well, and honestly, I want my kid's teachers to be happy employees and inspired to go to work every day. (They sometimes haven't been recently...) I hope Dr. Williams stays, especially since, if he doesn't, the "unstable" board that has lost public trust will be the very ones who pick our next leader!! But as I said, it's his call. Would this website stop functioning? I'm not in any way involved in it, but my assumption is "yes". When Dr. Williams leaves our township, frankly his future life will be irrelevant to my children's education. I assume others like me will eventually forget about him and focus on our kids education. And, of course, voting some of our school board members out of office... If Williams wants to leave, that’s his call and right. And if he does leave, at least he knows he had strong support from the public, teachers, and at least part of the school board through these extremely harsh months.

Personally I’m supporting Dr. Williams because, from my perspective, I believe his leadership has been good for the township. My children HAVE benefited from his leadership. They attend EXCELLENT Edison schools and have had very positive (i might say inspiring) PERSONAL contact with Dr. Williams. As a parent who watched the man interact with my children (long before any of this school board nonsense began), I am convinced that he loves children and education. My children’s teachers have rallied behind the man as well, and honestly, I want my kid’s teachers to be happy employees and inspired to go to work every day. (They sometimes haven’t been recently…)

I hope Dr. Williams stays, especially since, if he doesn’t, the “unstable” board that has lost public trust will be the very ones who pick our next leader!! But as I said, it’s his call.

Would this website stop functioning? I’m not in any way involved in it, but my assumption is “yes”. When Dr. Williams leaves our township, frankly his future life will be irrelevant to my children’s education. I assume others like me will eventually forget about him and focus on our kids education. And, of course, voting some of our school board members out of office…

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By: Perry Dad http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2920 Perry Dad Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:49:50 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2920 Replying to Nathan: If you haven't seen morale suffer, my guess is that you aren't very close to teachers in the township. I know teachers and a few administrators personally, and they have been fighting this board since before the last election (fighting to not elect some of them, then fighting with them since). This is the leadership of their district - OF COURSE they are concerned. If the leadership at my company were unstable and vindictive, I'd be pretty concerned too. And that affects morale. Replying to Nathan:

If you haven’t seen morale suffer, my guess is that you aren’t very close to teachers in the township. I know teachers and a few administrators personally, and they have been fighting this board since before the last election (fighting to not elect some of them, then fighting with them since). This is the leadership of their district - OF COURSE they are concerned. If the leadership at my company were unstable and vindictive, I’d be pretty concerned too. And that affects morale.

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By: Calling Dr. Williams http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2921 Calling Dr. Williams Sat, 09 Jun 2007 05:52:29 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2921 Time out. I think I'm on your side. Just thinking that the "resolution/compromise" referenced in Tully's piece is mainly about the dollar amount of a compensation package. If Dr. Williams is negotiating a 2-for-1 resignation, then that's a bit different. I personally trust Dr. Williams to run the system his way. But if reality means “apologizing” and doing a bit of coddling to keep his position, then why not do it? The complaints…it’s not my list…none of the board’s frivolous complaints bother me. I just think Dr. Williams could be successful even if he has to put up with a bit of micromanaging for a while. He’s skilled enough to get the same end results, the board would just make it more inconvenient. I hope he’d be willing to live with that, even though he shouldn’t have to. And yes, all the wasted money is the board’s fault. But the amount of a possible compensation package is still an open question and will impact students and taxpayers. I’d feel a lot better about a big payout if I hear Dr. Williams publicly state just how much personal and professional inconvenience he was willing to accept to keep his job. I'm not yet convinced that he deserves the full amount of his contract. I know you’re not making or taking money with the websites. But you have to admit that Dr. Williams…at least indirectly…supports the content. He hasn’t asked you to stop and let him go-it-alone has he? And I think it’s great that you’re doing it and he likes it. I'd even go so far as to give you "hero" status for all of your time. It's just disappointing that the new “3-3” voting status has resulted in Dr. Williams' public comments about an exit strategy rather than a plan to return. Keep up the good work. Still hoping for the best possible result. Time out. I think I’m on your side. Just thinking that the “resolution/compromise” referenced in Tully’s piece is mainly about the dollar amount of a compensation package. If Dr. Williams is negotiating a 2-for-1 resignation, then that’s a bit different.

I personally trust Dr. Williams to run the system his way. But if reality means “apologizing” and doing a bit of coddling to keep his position, then why not do it?

The complaints…it’s not my list…none of the board’s frivolous complaints bother me. I just think Dr. Williams could be successful even if he has to put up with a bit of micromanaging for a while. He’s skilled enough to get the same end results, the board would just make it more inconvenient. I hope he’d be willing to live with that, even though he shouldn’t have to.

And yes, all the wasted money is the board’s fault. But the amount of a possible compensation package is still an open question and will impact students and taxpayers. I’d feel a lot better about a big payout if I hear Dr. Williams publicly state just how much personal and professional inconvenience he was willing to accept to keep his job. I’m not yet convinced that he deserves the full amount of his contract.

I know you’re not making or taking money with the websites. But you have to admit that Dr. Williams…at least indirectly…supports the content. He hasn’t asked you to stop and let him go-it-alone has he? And I think it’s great that you’re doing it and he likes it. I’d even go so far as to give you “hero” status for all of your time.

It’s just disappointing that the new “3-3” voting status has resulted in Dr. Williams’ public comments about an exit strategy rather than a plan to return.

Keep up the good work. Still hoping for the best possible result.

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By: Sue http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2927 Sue Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:44:06 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2927 I have a question. At the close of day yesterday, late in the afternoon, an addendum was added to the Board Agenda by Susan Adams. It read something like: Reschedule hearing after N.Walsh Appeal. Can someone help me understand this??? Is Susan Adams recommending that the hearing on Dr. Williams' firing be rescheduled after Nancy Walsh appeals the judge's ruling that she cannot vote? HELP! I have a question.

At the close of day yesterday, late in the afternoon, an addendum was added to the Board Agenda by Susan Adams.

It read something like: Reschedule hearing after N.Walsh Appeal.

Can someone help me understand this???

Is Susan Adams recommending that the hearing on Dr. Williams’ firing be rescheduled after Nancy Walsh appeals the judge’s ruling that she cannot vote?

HELP!

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By: PMHS Grad http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2939 PMHS Grad Sun, 10 Jun 2007 02:39:50 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2939 I curiously read today's article in the Star that said Dr. Williams was interesting in negociating a buy-out of his contract. Has this been his idea all along and he just had to do something once Matthew Tully wrote about it, or was he inspired this week? Unfortunately, it probably would have been the best solution all along and everyone knows it. Support the board or not, there would have NEVER been a positive relationship between the board and Dr. Williams after this debacle. Wait until they're all re-elected? He'll probably want to retire by that time. Who would blame him? What's really unfortunate is that tons of money has been spent (in my opinion, wasted), people's feelings have been hurt, relationships between friends have been destroyed, etc. Dr. Williams has cashed in for the last 8 months making more money than most of the residents of Perry Township for doing nothing, the school board has been heckled constantly (my favorite was the meeting in which a gentleman led the crowd in chanting "You four must go!" third grade style), and not much progress has been made on any other issue in the township because everyone is so concerned about Dr. Williams. I agree with Nathan. I was close to a ton of teachers, very involved at PMHS, and besides watching passionate teachers waste classroom time complaining, I was never affected by this in the classroom. I spoke at a school board meeting about this because I was so tired of teachers bringing this into my class--I'm there to learn, and I don't care that you're going to get your orange shirt and showing up three hours early to stare down Susan Adams. For the students who were interested enough to care about this, it was really an issue of observing teachers' maturity. All that being said, he should negociate out his contract and leave. I attended Perry schools for 13 years, shook his hand maybe one or two times, and never at any point felt that he was irreplaceable. For the sake of the students and their educations, let's move on. I curiously read today’s article in the Star that said Dr. Williams was interesting in negociating a buy-out of his contract. Has this been his idea all along and he just had to do something once Matthew Tully wrote about it, or was he inspired this week?

Unfortunately, it probably would have been the best solution all along and everyone knows it. Support the board or not, there would have NEVER been a positive relationship between the board and Dr. Williams after this debacle. Wait until they’re all re-elected? He’ll probably want to retire by that time. Who would blame him?

What’s really unfortunate is that tons of money has been spent (in my opinion, wasted), people’s feelings have been hurt, relationships between friends have been destroyed, etc. Dr. Williams has cashed in for the last 8 months making more money than most of the residents of Perry Township for doing nothing, the school board has been heckled constantly (my favorite was the meeting in which a gentleman led the crowd in chanting “You four must go!” third grade style), and not much progress has been made on any other issue in the township because everyone is so concerned about Dr. Williams.

I agree with Nathan. I was close to a ton of teachers, very involved at PMHS, and besides watching passionate teachers waste classroom time complaining, I was never affected by this in the classroom. I spoke at a school board meeting about this because I was so tired of teachers bringing this into my class–I’m there to learn, and I don’t care that you’re going to get your orange shirt and showing up three hours early to stare down Susan Adams. For the students who were interested enough to care about this, it was really an issue of observing teachers’ maturity.

All that being said, he should negociate out his contract and leave. I attended Perry schools for 13 years, shook his hand maybe one or two times, and never at any point felt that he was irreplaceable. For the sake of the students and their educations, let’s move on.

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By: Nathan http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2989 Nathan Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:45:20 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2989 Someone just made a lot of sense... Someone just made a lot of sense…

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By: To Nathan http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2997 To Nathan Tue, 12 Jun 2007 02:52:57 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-2997 Of course it makes sense to you. You want Williams gone. The truth is that most people disagree with you. Of course it makes sense to you. You want Williams gone. The truth is that most people disagree with you.

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By: PMHS Grad http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3000 PMHS Grad Tue, 12 Jun 2007 04:38:23 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3000 This is not about: "You want Williams gone. The truth is that most people disagree with you." Matt Tully has already criticized the school board for their actions, and I would as well because I don't think their actions were timed or executed very well. But the point, unfortunately, does not fall in the past. However badly the school board messed up eight months ago is irrelavent at this point. To end this mess, someone needs to step up to a leadership position and say, "I'm going to be the bigger person, and I'm going to end this." Dr. Williams is the obvious choice. As you alluded, the school board isn't respected anyway, so any action on their part would just be ridiculed. If Dr. Williams did something, though, he could speak to his numerous supporters and give advice on how to handle this and move on. As I said before, I've had personal contact with Dr. Williams, and though he was nice, he never seemed irreplaceable. Perhaps it's because of my parents and what is important to my family, but on several occasions I was unimpressed with his performance in the township and thought long before this school board that we might be better off without him. Really, I hope this all just goes away. I don't want to be sitting in my dorm room next year, hearing on the news "..and a small township in Indianapolis is tearing itself apart..." This is not about: “You want Williams gone. The truth is that most people disagree with you.”

Matt Tully has already criticized the school board for their actions, and I would as well because I don’t think their actions were timed or executed very well. But the point, unfortunately, does not fall in the past. However badly the school board messed up eight months ago is irrelavent at this point. To end this mess, someone needs to step up to a leadership position and say, “I’m going to be the bigger person, and I’m going to end this.” Dr. Williams is the obvious choice. As you alluded, the school board isn’t respected anyway, so any action on their part would just be ridiculed. If Dr. Williams did something, though, he could speak to his numerous supporters and give advice on how to handle this and move on.

As I said before, I’ve had personal contact with Dr. Williams, and though he was nice, he never seemed irreplaceable. Perhaps it’s because of my parents and what is important to my family, but on several occasions I was unimpressed with his performance in the township and thought long before this school board that we might be better off without him. Really, I hope this all just goes away. I don’t want to be sitting in my dorm room next year, hearing on the news “..and a small township in Indianapolis is tearing itself apart…”

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By: Nathan http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3017 Nathan Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:36:42 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3017 Exactly. I don't necessarily want Dr. Williams gone. I really want what is best for Perry Township education, to be overtly cliche. Since the focus of the school board has turned from the students, its first and foremost goal, to a secondary administrative quibble, that yield no benefactors in the controversy. I guess maybe the only people that are benefiting are also the only ones that like to cry loudly. The school board did not carry out their actions very well. There were several alternatives to removing the superintendent. This website and subsequent comments have detailed all those likable scenarios. But it's been eight months. As Tully, PM grad, and myself (also a PM grad), along with many others - I'll just make that assumption, have said, it's time to move on. It's time to focus on the students again. And from this time forth, as well. We don't need this to be a lingering issue. This issue will either be resolved through some judicial means that puts Dr. Williams back in his position or Dr. Williams' resignation. If he's back on the board, the focus will indefinitely remain on this administrative politicking. If he resigns, the board will find a suitable replacement and put the issue to rest. This idea riles emotions and comments because the board is getting off scot-free. If you really have a personal agenda against the board, vote 'em out. I'm sure seven board members that all like Williams would have the power to do a lot of stuff to rectify any supposed wrongdoings during this board's term. The wise philosopher Tom Petty says it best, "Time to move on, time to get going. What lies ahead, I have no way of knowing. But under my feet, grass is growing. It's time to move on, it's time to get going." Exactly. I don’t necessarily want Dr. Williams gone. I really want what is best for Perry Township education, to be overtly cliche. Since the focus of the school board has turned from the students, its first and foremost goal, to a secondary administrative quibble, that yield no benefactors in the controversy. I guess maybe the only people that are benefiting are also the only ones that like to cry loudly.

The school board did not carry out their actions very well. There were several alternatives to removing the superintendent. This website and subsequent comments have detailed all those likable scenarios. But it’s been eight months. As Tully, PM grad, and myself (also a PM grad), along with many others - I’ll just make that assumption, have said, it’s time to move on. It’s time to focus on the students again. And from this time forth, as well. We don’t need this to be a lingering issue.

This issue will either be resolved through some judicial means that puts Dr. Williams back in his position or Dr. Williams’ resignation. If he’s back on the board, the focus will indefinitely remain on this administrative politicking. If he resigns, the board will find a suitable replacement and put the issue to rest.

This idea riles emotions and comments because the board is getting off scot-free. If you really have a personal agenda against the board, vote ‘em out. I’m sure seven board members that all like Williams would have the power to do a lot of stuff to rectify any supposed wrongdoings during this board’s term.

The wise philosopher Tom Petty says it best, “Time to move on, time to get going. What lies ahead, I have no way of knowing. But under my feet, grass is growing. It’s time to move on, it’s time to get going.”

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By: To PMHS Grad http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3018 To PMHS Grad Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:37:11 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3018 You just hit the nail on the head. YOU will be going away to college next year. WE will still be here, and we wil be the ones dealing with this mess if Dr. Williams is not reinstated OR if Susan Adams and Nancy Walsh remain on the board. One of those two things has to happen for any healing to begin. It's not a matter of someone being irreplacable, as you put it. It's a matter of what is best for our community and our schools. The whole "Dr. Williams needs to be a bigger person and end this" is just a clever way of his few detractors trying to nudge him from walking away from all of the people who do not want him to go. To me, it is fairly transparent. I don't believe Dr. Williams will fall for it. He will not leave us having to deal with those two. You just hit the nail on the head. YOU will be going away to college next year. WE will still be here, and we wil be the ones dealing with this mess if Dr. Williams is not reinstated OR if Susan Adams and Nancy Walsh remain on the board. One of those two things has to happen for any healing to begin. It’s not a matter of someone being irreplacable, as you put it. It’s a matter of what is best for our community and our schools. The whole “Dr. Williams needs to be a bigger person and end this” is just a clever way of his few detractors trying to nudge him from walking away from all of the people who do not want him to go. To me, it is fairly transparent. I don’t believe Dr. Williams will fall for it. He will not leave us having to deal with those two.

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By: Nathan http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3025 Nathan Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:56:32 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3025 But wanting Dr. Williams back is just a clever way of his few ardent supporters (and a bunch of bandwagoners) trying to nudge him on to spite the board. He's just a superintendent. There's plenty of 'em to go around. The whole of Perry Township education can't be focused on one man's job status. But wanting Dr. Williams back is just a clever way of his few ardent supporters (and a bunch of bandwagoners) trying to nudge him on to spite the board. He’s just a superintendent. There’s plenty of ‘em to go around. The whole of Perry Township education can’t be focused on one man’s job status.

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By: Mrs. Butler http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3026 Mrs. Butler Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:18:31 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3026 I don't want to spite the board, but I am tired of the board making poor decisions just to spite others. The board majority acts like mean girls in the middle school cafeteria. It needs to stop. I don’t want to spite the board, but I am tired of the board making poor decisions just to spite others. The board majority acts like mean girls in the middle school cafeteria. It needs to stop.

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By: Tim Nance http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3030 Tim Nance Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:18:27 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3030 To Nathan: My wanting Dr. Williams back as superintendent has NOTHING to do with spite directed toward the board. I respect the fact that all of the board members were elected by the people of Perry Township and I, personally, believe that they should ALL be able to work together for the best interest of our community. That means working with Dr. Williams. This situation is ridiculous. Also, your remark, "He’s just a superintendent. There’s plenty of ‘em to go around" to me shows that you really don't appreciate how important good leadership is to the teachers of this township. To Nathan:

My wanting Dr. Williams back as superintendent has NOTHING to do with spite directed toward the board.

I respect the fact that all of the board members were elected by the people of Perry Township and I, personally, believe that they should ALL be able to work together for the best interest of our community.
That means working with Dr. Williams. This situation is ridiculous.

Also, your remark, “He’s just a superintendent. There’s plenty of ‘em to go around” to me shows that you really don’t appreciate how important good leadership is to the teachers of this township.

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By: Nathan http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3036 Nathan Wed, 13 Jun 2007 04:55:57 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3036 Maybe you can take it that way. I was just trying to say that the superintendent isn't the end all of this township's education. There's many pieces to the puzzle. Williams, like fellow PM grad said, isn't irreplaceable. That's all I was trying to reiterate. And I completely agree. This situation is ridiculous. Maybe you can take it that way. I was just trying to say that the superintendent isn’t the end all of this township’s education. There’s many pieces to the puzzle. Williams, like fellow PM grad said, isn’t irreplaceable. That’s all I was trying to reiterate.

And I completely agree. This situation is ridiculous.

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By: Calling Dr. Williams http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3037 Calling Dr. Williams Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:06:01 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3037 It would still be nice for Dr. Williams to publicly address this group and report on the specifics of his efforts to keep his position. Meanwhile, I am interested to know what members of this group see as the main variables in an exit negotiation for Dr. Williams, since he seems to be moving that way. Also, what supporters see as his moral duty in those negotiations. Of course legally he could just push for a maximum payout. Is that ok with everyone? What variables am I missing besides: 1. Amount and timing of payout relative to his contract. 2. Simultaneous resignations of board member(s) 3. Threat of additional lawsuit based on how the board's actions impact his ability to find other employment 4. Public disclosure/nondisclosure of all terms of a deal 5. Dismissal of current legal actions 6. Public disclosure of complaints against Dr. Williams that have not yet been made public If staying is not an option, would everyone be happy with this: Dr. Williams resigns. Adams and Walsh resign. Dr. Williams is paid up to the full amount of his contract at normal intervals until he finds new employment. All parties agree to not pursue any additional claims. All current legal actions are dropped. Dr. Williams and board members are prohibited from discussing anything to do with the deal: past, present, future. What say you? Admin? Others?....Dr. Williams? It would still be nice for Dr. Williams to publicly address this group and report on the specifics of his efforts to keep his position.

Meanwhile, I am interested to know what members of this group see as the main variables in an exit negotiation for Dr. Williams, since he seems to be moving that way. Also, what supporters see as his moral duty in those negotiations. Of course legally he could just push for a maximum payout. Is that ok with everyone?

What variables am I missing besides:

1. Amount and timing of payout relative to his contract.

2. Simultaneous resignations of board member(s)

3. Threat of additional lawsuit based on how the board’s actions impact his ability to find other employment

4. Public disclosure/nondisclosure of all terms of a deal

5. Dismissal of current legal actions

6. Public disclosure of complaints against Dr. Williams that have not yet been made public

If staying is not an option, would everyone be happy with this:

Dr. Williams resigns. Adams and Walsh resign. Dr. Williams is paid up to the full amount of his contract at normal intervals until he finds new employment. All parties agree to not pursue any additional claims. All current legal actions are dropped. Dr. Williams and board members are prohibited from discussing anything to do with the deal: past, present, future.

What say you? Admin? Others?….Dr. Williams?

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By: Mrs. Butler http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3047 Mrs. Butler Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:07:53 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3047 This does sound logical, “calling Dr. Williams”. I can't see that Dr. Williams would just pack up and leave this district that he dearly loves while leaving Adams and Walsh in control. And I don't know why people who support the board want to cry out about Dr. Williams asking for money that was promised to him in a contract. Why does it even matter? We have been paying him for months and months to watch birds. I would FAR rather see the township money go to Dr. Williams, as promised, than to go into more and more ridiculous legal bills. The appeal is the real kicker. I'm sure even their own attorney, Jon Bailey, who advised them against the appeal, is just shaking his head with embarrassment. Oh how he must regret ever signing on to represent such a foolish board. If they ever were to reach an agreement, and Dr. Williams does leave...I highly doubt that details could be kept silent. One very simple reason would be that spouses often discuss things, and one spouse of a board member has PROVEN to spew private, confidential township information. This does sound logical, “calling Dr. Williams”. I can’t see that Dr. Williams would just pack up and leave this district that he dearly loves while leaving Adams and Walsh in control. And I don’t know why people who support the board want to cry out about Dr. Williams asking for money that was promised to him in a contract. Why does it even matter? We have been paying him for months and months to watch birds. I would FAR rather see the township money go to Dr. Williams, as promised, than to go into more and more ridiculous legal bills. The appeal is the real kicker. I’m sure even their own attorney, Jon Bailey, who advised them against the appeal, is just shaking his head with embarrassment. Oh how he must regret ever signing on to represent such a foolish board.

If they ever were to reach an agreement, and Dr. Williams does leave…I highly doubt that details could be kept silent. One very simple reason would be that spouses often discuss things, and one spouse of a board member has PROVEN to spew private, confidential township information.

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By: PMHS Grad http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3063 PMHS Grad Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:07:07 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3063 Correct, I'll be leaving next year, but my family will still live in Perry Township and my younger sister will still attend a township school. I personally won't be affected, but the closest people to me will be. Allow me to direct your attention to the following website which I haven't seen mentioned thus far: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007706090510 I don't see Dr. Williams' negociating a buy out of his contract as a nudging from anyone. In fact, in that article he says "I'm very much willing to talk about a solution that does not involve Doug Williams as superintendent." Even Dr. Williams is beginning to consider that the battle might not be worth the damage that Perry Township will sustain! As Mr. Nance said, we should all work together. Unfortunately, that is <i>no longer an option</i>. If he is restored to his position, I would venture to guess that the tension at school board meetings would be higher than it already is. Good leadership is important to teachers, I agree, but if he leaves, are the teachers going to leave with him and follow him to a new position somewhere else? The teachers have been teaching all year without him, and if it's really about using the best teachers to educate kids in the best way, then there should be no leadership issue. Correct, I’ll be leaving next year, but my family will still live in Perry Township and my younger sister will still attend a township school. I personally won’t be affected, but the closest people to me will be.

Allow me to direct your attention to the following website which I haven’t seen mentioned thus far: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007706090510

I don’t see Dr. Williams’ negociating a buy out of his contract as a nudging from anyone. In fact, in that article he says “I’m very much willing to talk about a solution that does not involve Doug Williams as superintendent.” Even Dr. Williams is beginning to consider that the battle might not be worth the damage that Perry Township will sustain!

As Mr. Nance said, we should all work together. Unfortunately, that is no longer an option. If he is restored to his position, I would venture to guess that the tension at school board meetings would be higher than it already is. Good leadership is important to teachers, I agree, but if he leaves, are the teachers going to leave with him and follow him to a new position somewhere else? The teachers have been teaching all year without him, and if it’s really about using the best teachers to educate kids in the best way, then there should be no leadership issue.

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By: Nathan http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2007/06/08/dr-williams-speaks-to-matthew-tully/#comment-3065 Nathan Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:02:28 +0000 http://www.wesupportw