You have just done what you accuse Susan Adams of doing, (Twisting my words) I NEVER made ANY accusations towards Williams or Carter.
I was mererly asking a question.

“The problem I have with that is bias check and balances. How good of friends are they? Will they look the other way if I do this? Is it true that Kathleen Carter is/was his girl friend? Did she get her position ahead of anyone else due to that fact? It’s questions like this, this is why it is not a good ideal.”

I believe anyone who would read your statement above would accept them as an accusation that Dr. Williams had a relationship with her and that she may have gotten her position because of that relationship. In statements like this, of this type, a mere mentioning of a possible relationship is an accusation.

It’s very similar to the strategy that Nancy Walsh has used with a couple of parents I’ve talked to when she’s said ” ‘hypothetically ‘ if the superintendent were having an affair….”

I believe if your statement was merely a question, there would have been no need to mention the other individual by name. Because you mentioned her by name I do need to apologize again for not editing out her name. I had stated earlier on the site with my refocus on maintaining civility that I didn’t want people’s names brought into the conversation that weren’t already a part of the public knowledge. For that I do apologize.

Maybe more clarity in your posts would prevent others from twisting your words. Maybe you could just stop trying to convince others to agree with you. It does no good. Besides, you are not representing the cause very well. We need to focus on supporting our elected school board, not on our own problems.

I like you and I like your efforts, like mine, to find the truth. I believe we are probably fairly similar individuals and I respect you. Let’s keep up the search together for FACTS and TRUTH. As you said, which I have also stated before, if Dr. Williams has done something that is illegal or potentially even more than personality differences I want to know about them.

This is my personal encouragement to you to remain active on this site and to help keep us in check on our efforts as well. May we meet sometime in person and realize it one day. =)

Maybe more clarity in your posts would prevent others from twisting your words. Maybe you could just stop trying to convince others to agree with you. It does no good. Besides, you are not representing the cause very well. We need to focus on supporting our elected school board, not on our own problems.”

News Flash School Board Apologist!

No one from ‘the cause’ has represented ‘the cause’ particularly well because there is no good reason for ‘the cause’. Don’t equate a ’cause’ with personal differences and grievances, let alone think that an election has given them permission to act out on their personal issues with school administrators and teachers and whoever the heck else has ticked them off.

I’m glad to see that you’ve decided to verify these issues by using factual evidence vs heresay as you determining factor. I am always skeptical of what people in politics will try to push off as fact or truth. Until I personally verify it, it remains just an opinion. The best part is that you don’t end up looking like a fool when you support a side based on such. I understand that you may have had a specific issue that wasn’t handled well. since I don’t know the circumstances I cannot make judgement. I will say that Jason is correct in stating that no matter who the superintendent is they will not be able to please everybody. I have also seen statements supporting that Williams needs to go because he is arrogant. Arrogance, although annoying is not a valid reason for one’s termination. Like I’ve stated repeatedly, I want the facts. Saying that, there is no way in hell that I can support the board majority based on their unprofessional and unethical conduct. I personally would like to drag them to Iraq with me and drop them outside the green zone. This would be a true test of what they are made of.

Double starndards?

Outside the green zone SFC? My gosh man,.put on your green beret and lets go to battle?

Get rid of the Dr. His “buddies” will follow. Clean the house.
He should resign and save the township all this grief. Go someplace else and take his gf, buddies, supplies, and haunt another school district, perferrably away from Indiana.

Where is the proof that what the board says is not true. You are the one that must prove your accusations, the Board is acting well within their elected rights.

I don’t approve of the Board behavior either.

Is your goal to have Dr. Williams active again or to remove the 4 from the board, or both?

Lately, it seems your focus has been to get even with the 4. Getting even by poking holes in everything they say or do, and trying to remove them.

I am confused what this is about at this point based on what some on this site type.

In a democratic society the burden of proof is on the accuser, not on the accused. I believe your response illustrates the crux of my issues with the “Gang of Four.”

Besides the misappropriation for the burden of proof, it is logically not possible to prove a negative (I am sure there is a need to explain this to you, but frankly I don’t have time to cast pearls of wisdom before…. (lengthy pause)… those that are not interested in dialog).

Once again you are living down to your moniker.

Seriously, at the end of this and if Williams is found “guilty” and terminated, are you really going to take the members of the school board to court over “unethical and unprofessional” behavior?

So, after complaining about the cost of a new board attorney, outside mediators, independent audits, buyout contracts, you would subject the school system to defend itself against your law suit. How many dollars will that cost the Perry Township tax payer? Doesn’t that seem a bit frivolous if what Adams, Walsh, Thompson and Alexander have charged against Williams is true?

I’m at a loss as to why you want to legally “take them down”. Even if you disagree with what they are doing, they haven’t broken any law. Just because you disagree with their “behavior” doesn’t mean it’s unethical or unprofessional. Would you agree that Williams’ comment about burning down their houses or using a 12 gauge shot gun when a BB gun will do was totally unprofessional and unethical.

Also, as a United States solider, don’t you think that your “green zone” comment was totally out of line, unprofessional and unethical?

You asked what is the goal?
The goal is to let the board members know that they are not representing me in the way I feel they should. The goal is to let them know what my opinions are and see that they truly act in my best interest. The goal is to have a fully functional system. The goal is to be represented.

To School Board Apologist. I agree the burden of proof is on the accuser and that is why I asked you to prove your accusations against the school board. The Board does not have a burden to prove to anyone if that is what they select to do. Just because you don’t like what I am asking should not incite you to get nasty as you did with reference to my moniker. For some reason this is “personal” to you. You should excuse yourself from this debate if you cannot keep your emotions out of it. How old are you anyway? The professional, adults I work with do not start name calling when they disagree with one another. You seem to have a great appreciation for yourself and you also must think you some sense of humor. I don’t! You seem more to me like the kid in high school that alsways got picked on and now you are getting even.

I don’t have to compare my education and experiences to you or anyone to feel good about myself. You apparently do.

Brett,

You have a long way to go before I would vote for you. I admire your willingness to get involved but you are letting “radical” behavior to stimulate and motivate you. I am not speaking of the behavior of the board but the radical behavior of the group against the board.

The TBPS group and the other Williams’ supporters are showing exactly what the 4 are talking about. You all are stronger, smarter, and better than everyone else. If someone disagrees with you, then they are idiots or truely confused. You feel an obligation to knock people down in order to make yourself stand taller.

I would not run for the Board on the platform that you hate the 4 majority now for what they have done. People everyone, the common person in Perry Township, will know you are as crazy as the 4 you are trying to get rid of. IMO

You all are on the verge of going nuts; and for what?

My “Green Zone” comment was directed specifically at their inability to properly lead this board. It is a direct attack on their leadership skills. Nothing unprofessional about this as I strongly feel that they are not qualified for this job. And yes, I do intend to follow through with whatever it takes(legally) to remove them from this board. I am working with all legal and government agencies at this time to plan the right course of action. This community deserves better. It is not my opinion that they have behaved unprofessionally and unethically as their behavior is recorded and witnessed by many. I will not tolerate this out of our elected officials. PERIOD!

As for Williams comment, yes, he did you poor judgement with his choice of words. The shotgun vs BB gun comment was attacking their powers and abilities. I believe that this was his intent but it has been blown out of proportion.

You misunderstand me. It doesn’t matter if I disagree with the board members. It doesn’t matter that I am “unhappy” (your words, not mine). What matters is that I don’t believe that my best interests are being represented. I may be well represented and still disagree with the results. But, at least my interest would be taken into account.

Some of the board majority do not seem to care what anyone else thinks. Some have taken the time to listen and I appreciate that. But, All board members should care what the public thinks and listen to us and act accordingly. Disregarding us is the problem.

You cannot prove a negative. It is not possible to provide proof that an accusation is not true. The standard in our society (this is for good reason) is that proof needs to be provided to support an accusation. This is a foundational principle of our legal system.

We cannot allow accusations to be made without proof. If I were to accuse you of embezzlement and the burden was on you to prove my accusation was false, you would go to jail because you cannot proof a negative. Your defense would center on any proof that the embezzlement actually happened. If there is no evidence you should go free.

You have the cart before the horse.

To Silence Dogood,

What do you mean “You cannot prove a negative.”?

The sun doesn’t rise in the East. The grass is not green. I say fact, prove me wrong. Can you? I could go on but it is useless.

So it’s ok for the President to lie to our faces and act “unethically”??

You state, “The sun doesn’t rise in the East. The grass is not green. I say fact, prove me wrong. Can you?”

You are exactly right in your illustration of my point. The way you prove that the Sun rises in the East is by observing the proof of where it rises. You prove the grass is green by providing an example of green grass. If the board claims that the grass is purple, you are proving nothing by stating that, “Where is the proof that what the board says is not true.”

The proof is found in the evidence presented, not in the absence of proof to the contrary; hence, you cannot prove a negative.

You are wrong again. It is easy to see why an individual incapable of logical thinking is supportive of the current school board majority.

Smack,
They have made unsupported allegations. Learn the difference.

I also know that the hard evidence that you are requesting…has been requested multiple times and who doesn’t want to give it to the Board? Terry Rice. Bill Brown. Two buddies of Dr. Williams. Exactly what is it that they are hiding that they don’t want to give up?

Kelly M/S
Feb 17th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Keep in mind, I am not trying to call out Bill Brown or Terry Rice, but seeing as how they do have a friendship with Dr. Williams, why wouldn’t they want to provide the evidence requested to exonerate their friend? Let alone the Superintendent of Perry Township. I find it hard to believe that Mr. Nichols has requested it as well as the rest of the “Gang of Four” and it is not being provided…which is where the additional attorney comes into play. To subpoena the records. Sounds to me like the Gang of Four aren’t the only ones guilty of racking up township tax dollars. This additional attorney might not have been needed if the information had simply been provided to them as requested.

Just because you say I don’t mean to be demeaning and go on doesn’t discount your actions.

I agree the Board at some point should reveal their secrets regarding Dr. Williams. However, to sit on the outside and to have no real idea of what is going on in the investigation but to spout off anyway is arrogant.

All those names and other things you beat people down with is like the pot calling….you know the rest.