Information is now posted on the website that was setup by Susan Adams. As we learned at Monday night’s board meeting, many of the statements and “facts” presented by Mrs. Adams in her letter were in fact not factual and instead were very misleading.
I’d like for anyone that can dispute these facts to either comment on this post, or e-mail me directly. I’ll be sharing later this evening dispute about the $700 board dinner with information that I received directly from Mr. Nichols. I will also be posting details about the incentives accusations against Edison schools. I would be very interested in getting a statement from Mr. Vance about the inaccuracies in the statements against him that were made by our board president.
Her comments make me ill!! Especially where she talks about others coming behind them and building Perry Township from the bottm up and that they will earn that glory. Puke!! Well, one thing about her statement is true! We are just about at rock bottom now!! But it is because of the unethical action of the gang of four, as well as their slanderous remarks!!!
I’d like to add that yesterday was a very important day for the 5th grade students at Rosa Parks Edison. They are working VERY hard on “Exchange City”. With that, they dressed up yesterday and provided lunch to community guests that they invited to conduct job interviews with the students. The students were all well prepared and excited about the event. They invited the school board members to be a part of this exciting opportunity. Mrs. Houchin graciously accepted the invitation, and the students were thrilled that she came. On the other hand……..Mrs. Walsh refused to come unless she had armed security guards provided to ensure her safety!! Her safety?? From 5th graders??? How insane is that?? Does Mrs. Walsh suffer from delusions of grandeur?? Or delusions of paranoia??? Of course the students were disappointed with her “no show”. I guess MRs. Walsh feels that she is in danger because she points her finger and lashes out at everyone in the public, and she expects that we may retaliate in the same childish manner. So now, will she be expecting MSDPT to provide her a private security officer to escort her to the grocery, restaurants, and movie theaters, too?? If she can’t stand the heat….she needs to GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!!!!!
Jason
I don’t understand what the problem is, you wanted to know what kind of things they had on Doug and yet even with the proof in front of Steve he said they were lies. I guess I was wrong about you, and you really don’t want to know the facts. Seems to me that they can’t say these things in public unless they are true or at least they have to be able to back them up. I have read several lies coming from (I’m ashamed to say) teachers and others. Not All Teachers Lie only some who are maybe guarding the special favors they stand to lose if Williams is gone. I know many Teachers in this township who are GREAT Teachers and honest people. I also know that many do not Williams to come back for the reasons I have given before unfair treatment. They will not come forward because they are afraid of losing their jobs, and Terry Rice. Again sounds like Bulling to me. Some I know for a FACT are not true. I’m afraid that the only ones who are make a bunch of money over this ordeal is going to be lawyers. I was also impressed with your wife’s (Kim) display of class at the meeting. She of many chanting and yelling and carrying on. Which is WHY the girls left. I also heard that Gayle Houchins has claimed that she was assaulted by Nancy Walsh. I don’t believe that for one minute. I also read on the Indy blogs that there is a parent out there who video taped the meeting as well and I am actively looking for them now. And I promise if that did indeed happen I will EAT my words! But I really don’t think that it will be necessary. I’ve done my homework on some issues and some doings of some people’s involvement with some shady actives. Yes I am vague, I’m not gonna tip my hand. I have my own opinions (as do you). I am disappointed in you though, and I wanted to tell you that. I (like a fool) really believed that you were searching for the truth about these dealings for the sake of your son. What I heard was that Williams REFUSED to work with these women. And basing it only on what I personally have experienced with Williams and his administration I have to say I believe it. Williams wants to be the one and only chief. Should it have been handled in a better way? Yes Could it of been handled in another way? Not as long as Gayle Houchins and Steve Maple sit on the board. Reason I say that is because they are BOTH personal friends and they have BOTH would of told Williams what was up and he would of covered (he does so well) his tracks. They are on the board BUT they both SERVE Williams first not the board. Which by the way is what they we elected to do. These statements are my opinions and I am entitled so no law suits please.
I’m pretty sure that there will be more to come out because they have not used the things that I have given them yet. I’m hoping this will come to an end soon because these people who are getting on all these blogs spitting out all these mean spirited lies are making Perry Township look like a Soap Opera.
Thank you for your time.
I have major concerns regarding everything that happened. I think the facts need to come out good or bad. I think that everyone is just trying to find them. We all want Perry Township to rise above the huge White Elephant that is making us the laughing stock of Central Indiana School systems. It was also said at the board meeting that Susan Adams timeline was incorrect. It does make sense that we question what is on the new website to make sure it is true. If it is true than we go forward. But name calling on both sides needs to stop and let the facts prevail.
Thanks for your time.
Joe Mamma,
Thanks for coming back to the site. The problem with the information that Susan shared in her statements is that they are perfect examples of half-truths and twisted details. Her statements about the salary and benefits of one member of the staff of MSDPT were plainly incorrect and he shared the actual details Monday night. I just posted on the www.takebackperryschools.com website that her concerns and partial facts about Edison schools were incorrect. Her details about the $700 tenderloin dinner were based on actual facts and figures, but they were not inflated because of ANYTHING Dr. Williams did, I’ll be posting more details about that soon. Then there’s the 360 degree turn that she feels teachers should make, it’s small but you’d think she’d know a little bit of math. Or, what about the misconstrued facts about graduation rates? Yes there are numbers that exist that she’s stating, but it’s for a method of computation that is not used as a standard by the state. She should also educate the public about how the state identifies graduation rates, a teacher Monday night did that and I was informed greatly today about them (I’ll also be posting about that soon).
Contrary to what you believe, I am VERY interested in the facts, and from what I’ve seen Susan isn’t connected to them, or is and chooses not to educate herself on their usage or purposeful twists them.
As far as some of your accusations, what are the FACTS you have to back them up. Do you know that teachers are somehow getting “special favors” from Dr. Williams?
One of your accusations is about bullying. If that’s the case, what about the bullying of parents and teachers VERY publicly by the four board members at school board meetings and in private? What about the illegal bullying of concerned citizens and parents by one of the board member’s ex-husband or whatever he is? What about the condemnation by Rubie Alexander of teachers not providing the same level of education to black students as to white?
Accusations to my wife? Don’t leave out all the details. Nancy’s mom kept looking back and staring at my wife for no reason. I’m assuming the “girls” you’re mentioning are the ones that were sitting in the row in front of us. They weren’t interested in what was going on at all. They were busy watching videos on their iPod and chatting with each other. Getting back to my wife, she had had enough of Nancy’s mom staring at her and stuck out her tongue. She probably could have restrained that action, but at a point you’ve got to do something to give it back to people. That leads to the chanting. My wife only started chanting when the four board members ignored and trampled on their elected responsibility to represent the people. I guess you’d fault any oppressed individual for getting fed up and not taking it anymore.
Now to Gayle Houchins and Nancy Walsh. Gayle was absolutely assaulted by Nancy Walsh. Now Nancy Walsh never hit her, but she did verbally threaten to do so I believe three times. I have already been contacted by numerous individuals who witnessed the entire scene and have already committed to testify against Nancy Walsh if/when charges are pressed against her. As that altercation came to an end and the police got involved, Nancy Walsh’s mom again got into the thick of things and had to be pulled away by Mr. Walsh. Let’s talk about class now.
I have a video of the entire meeting, it is a copy of the one that’s produced by the township. I hope to begin putting clips of that meeting on the site so people can see for themselves some of the antics and behaviour of our board.
Next? Dr. Williams refusing to work with these women. I won’t fault you that Dr. Williams could do a better job of working with some individuals, but honestly I may not want him to do so. As was pointed out Monday night and you would have heard it if you had stayed, is that Dr. Williams is a highly educated and experienced leader. He is the type of person you’d look for to hire as the CEO of your company. Why? Because he gets the job done. Sure, they’ve got strong Type A personalities and are gruff and as he says in his own words a “smart-ass”. Honestly, that’s what I’m looking for in a leader, someone who can LEAD! I don’t want someone that’s going to sway back and forth with whatever is popular at the minute. I want somene that has set before us a vision of what can be accomplished and will drive us there amid the complaining and belly-aching of individuals who don’t get it their way whenever they want it.
Again, I can’t believe the anti-Williams group continue to complain about Dr. Williams having “friends” in his staff, administration and on the board. Could you please tell me where you work? Or where these four board members work? I want to make sure you all have absolutely no positive and friendly relationships with the people you work with. THEN you might be able to use that argument, but you’d still be wrong.
If I got a new job leading a large organization, and I needed to fill some positions, the first people I’d call would be my close friends. You know why? Because I know if I’m working with people that I respect and know their opinions, more will be accomplished. Next time you get to choose employees be sure and put “HATE MY GUTS” on one of the requirements for the position.
More will definitely come in the future. I’ll be here making sure I understand what the facts are and that the right decisions for the future of Perry Township are being made, not necessarily just for my kids but for the whole and absolutely not just for the purpose of making sure the entire school board is happy. I don’t care if you’re not happy with how things are going, just do your job, which is to improve education in our township and I don’t think a single one of these four ladies can claim anything they’ve done in the past 3 months has done that.
I eagerly await your response and the response of others.
“Next time you get to choose employees be sure and put “HATE MY GUTS” on one of the requirements for the position.”
Wanted:
Superintendent who has no guts; willing to work with people with heads in dark places; Must desire to be micromanaged by incompetent fools; willing to accept verbal abuse and on occasion threats of physical abuse. Must be able to read and deflect persons with symptoms of PMS or personality disorders. Must be able to validate delusions of grandeur.
Superintendent experience not needed, not desired, not appreciated.
Joe, you are giving a bad name to the Mamma family. If you are, “…pretty sure that there will be more to come out because they have not used the things that I have given them yet,” and it is three months into this mess are you really optimistic that they consider your personal affronts to be worthy of their time? If they are saving up complaints for a second round of attacks, are they being fair to anyone involved?
If you are trusting in them to act on your behalf, I fear you will be disappointed. I will take Douglas Williams over Nancy Walsh 1000 out of 1000 times when it comes to being fair and following the rules and regulations that govern how special needs children are served in schools.
Look in the mirror. The real problem you have with the school district is probably looking back at you. I am not sure why you demand that others meet your criteria for reasonableness when you refuse to afford them the same courtesy. It is kind of like saying, “Hi Kettle. I’m Pot. You are black,”
The point you are missing is that this is not personal to us. For most of the anti-Williams group (including you) it is personal. You keep listing all of the errors made by the pro-school district folks in subjective terms. A little objectivity would serve you well.
If you stop treating this mess as an opportunity to carry out a personal vendetta against Dr. Williams, you will be able to see that the anti-Williams board members are doing nothing different than what they are accusing Dr. Williams of committing. I have close friends that are faculty and staff members in MSDPT. Several of them have been approached by Nancy Walsh and Barbara Thompson and told that, “Remember, it is important to have friends on the school board.” Others have been threatened with termination if they did not “stop providing inside information” to opponents of their policies.
They are no different than what they are accusing Dr. Williams of being. If you can’t see that, you are blinded by your vendetta. Worse you are causing the education of my children to be disrupted. I really do not like you messing up the education of my children.
Jason,
I agree regarding hiring someone who is a friend. If I were faced with hiring someone and it were narrowed down to a few people, it would be likely that I would hire the one that I know and trust. People can put up a good front for an interview, but then turn out to be real duds once they get the job. Our board members, for instance, have proven that fact!
Joe Mamma~ I hope you do get a copy of the tape and watch it. I was sitting right in the front watching the altercation between Mrs. Walsh and Mrs. Houchin. It was Mrs. Walsh who approached Mrs. Houchin, who was still seated and had to turn around in her chair. Mrs. Walsh verbally attacked her and threatened to physically attack her. I’m sorry you have a hard time believing it….but it is the absolute truth!! I am an eyewitness and hope I get my chance to testify in court!
I forgot to mention that I’m curious who all of these teachers are who are afraid of Terry Rice and Administration. I regularly attend the board meetings, and the audience is FLOODED with teachers in support of Dr. Williams and opposed to the four board members. They cheer when Mr. Rice stands up to talk, as if he were a celebrity! I’ve listened to many, many teachers get up and speak on behalf of Dr. Williams, and express how offended they are by comments made by the board members. So I ask….who are these teachers that are afraid??? Does anyone actually KNOW these teachers???? Or is this just more of Mrs. Adams’s fantasy facts and figures???? If the teachers are opposed to Dr. Williams and Terry Rice, then why are the board members complaining that teachers are speaking out against the board members in the classrooms and hallways during school hours?? Which is it?? Are they AFRAID of Dr. Williams and Terry Rice??? Or are they FOR Dr. Williams and Terry Rice? It seems the story changes with whichever way the wind blows!
DITTO ADMIN!
I hope Gayle Houchins files charges. The ‘gang of 4′ are dragging Perry Township through the sewer!
I find it funny that “they” are blaming this on the TBPS community. ‘They’ say, if TBPS would just stop voicing our opinions, be still (silent), and let there be a “new beginning”. Sounds like Satan to me.
We still live in America. We are a democracy!
These women are in deeper than they ever imagined. In the October Board Meeting, the public spoke of the troubles in the 1980’s and begged the ‘gang of 4′ to not take Perry Township back to that time. The gang did not listen. This is a horrible, terrible mess! Yet the gang refused to listen. Pride cometh before a fall.
And YES, Susan Adams is FULL of half-truths and twisted details! Remember her on public radio with Nancy and saying her husband was fired!!!!! She is FULL of FALSE STATEMENTS! And Nancy Walsh continues to show HER TRUE SELF as witnessed Monday evening.
Also, DITTO TO KELLY! I, too, along with many more are physically sickened when we hear them speak or read their atrocities!
To Joe Mamma: don’t believe everything you hear from “the girls.” I thought you were smarter than that.
Jason
You sound mad in your answer, I understand your frustration I truly do. I WANT the truth too. But let’s keep the anger out of this and you and I try this little thing call communication maybe we can get this ball rolling throughout our community. I know I can be a smart xss I’ll try to keep it in check. You please don’t insult my intelligence I’m not book smart but I’m not stupid either. okay? ok.
You said some of the information Susan gave was perfect examples of half truths and twisted details.
Please explain. Under which sub-title?
Edison Schools, the only thing I really care about them honestly, Is that I as a taxpayer am not going to be taxed out my xss.
I trust that they are good schools. I trust that they have good programs. I must say I was a bit concerned about the behavior of some of the teachers at the board meetings. These people teach our future generation. That I am concerned with. I understand that they were frustrated over SOMETHING at the Oct.9th. meeting but it’s a little gray as to WHAT. Now people don’t get that upset for no good reason right? I would like to know what then?
Then I hear that Nancy Walsh and Barbara Thompson have filled Police Reports on Doug Williams and Terry Rice for threatening to burn down houses and bb guns, shotguns, etc.
I have also heard that the Edison teachers who were at the meeting at Rosa-Parks (10-3) say that it didn’t happened.
I’ve also read the notes taken at the meeting by the two women who were also there. I don’t know if they were hiding like some claim and frankly I really don’t care. If these things were really said, THAT I do care about.
I have Never heard or read anywhere a statement from Terry Rice and the only thing I have heard Doug Williams say was at the Oct.9th meeting he did NOT denied it only that “he could be a smart xss sometimes and he got caught up in all the politics.” I’ve also never read a statement from him either. What politics?
I did hear Nancy Walsh challenge Doug to take a lie detector test along with her.
I know he has not.
The $700.00 dinners, I feel someone is spending our taxpayers money pretty foolishly. That I’m not happy with. I’ll be interested in reading what you post about this also.
You said “Then there’s the 360 degree turn that she feels teachers should make, it’s small but you’d think she’d know a little bit of math.
I’m sorry I don’t have a clue what you are talking about here. Please explain what this is?
Graduation rates, I saw or heard on the news on T.V. that we were ONE school ABOVE IPS. IPS being on the BOTTOM of the list.
That I care about. I want our kids to do and be better than that.
I also will be interested in reading this post you talk about.
I do read your passion on KNOWING the facts, My passion is the same.
You wrote:
“As far as some of your accusations, what are the FACTS you have to back them up. Do you know that teachers are somehow getting “special favors” from Dr. Williams?”
I assume you are referring to this line,
Not All Teachers Lie only some who are maybe guarding the special favors they stand to lose if Williams is gone.
These accusations I have heard from other people. Your right Jason I should ask to see proof there. And I will ask.
I wrote:
Seems to me that they can’t say these things in public unless they are true or at least they have to be able to back them up.
I was referring to the school board.
You wrote:
“what about the bullying of parents and teachers VERY publicly by the four board members at school board meetings and in private?”
I am again assuming that you are talking about not getting to be heard at the board meetings.
I think that you SHOULD be heard, I personally want to hear BOTH sides, but let’s be honest here there is a lot of yelling and hatefulness anger total mob type behavior.
I think that EVERYONE needs to have a xell of lot more self control than I’ve seen in a longgg time. It really doesn’t matter (at this point) why you are angry. Everyone is angry. Set it aside and state your case without yelling, demanding them to quit, With some kind of example of how we would want our children to behave at a similar event.
On this same note: It also appears that you (not you personally) are bullying by, yelling at the board members, some being down right hateful, unruly, disrespectful. After all Jason we all know 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
You wrote:
What about the illegal bullying of concerned citizens and parents by one of the board member’s ex-husband or whatever he is?
This I would like to SEE proof of as well. Do you have it?
You wrote:
What about the condemnation by Rubie Alexander of teachers not providing the same level of education to black students as to white?
I remember when this was said, I also saw that they passed out a paper (with some kind of stats on it) to all the board members. I would like to see this as well.
You wrote:
Accusations to my wife? Don’t leave out all the details.
I guess you’d fault any oppressed individual for getting fed up and not taking it anymore. Which is WHY the girls left.
I was TOTALLY unaware of any of that behavior from either one.
I was referring to when she yelled out “You go Charlie”. And the chanting. The girls - the 4 board members.
Jason EVERYONE is at fault here. Everyone thinks they are doing the right thing. We need take the emotions out of this and stop all this nonsense and act like adults.
You wrote:
As was pointed out Monday night and you would have heard it if you had stayed,
I only left because of the Mob like behavior and I was afraid it was gonna get out of hand. I would of liked to of stayed. But with all the hate and ranting and raving going on, I thought it was best to leave with the kids.
You wrote:
Now to Gayle Houchins and Nancy Walsh. Gayle was absolutely assaulted by Nancy Walsh. Now Nancy Walsh never hit her, but she did verbally threaten to do so I believe three times. I have already been contacted by numerous individuals who witnessed the entire scene and have already committed to testify against Nancy Walsh if/when charges are pressed against her. As that altercation came to an end and the police got involved, Nancy Walsh’s mom again got into the thick of things and had to be pulled away by Mr. Walsh. Let’s talk about class now.
What I can say about that, Damn, I would of liked to of seen that. Now I’m not being a smart xss about it, but then I would know who is lying. Someone clearly is not being honest about this one. I have heard both sides and who the xell knows. If you have it on video I also would like to see it. I won’t want to eat my words but I will. And I agree if this took place it also shows no class.
You wrote:
Next? Dr. Williams refusing to work with these women. I won’t fault you that Dr. Williams could do a better job of working with some individuals, they’ve got strong Type A personalities and are gruff and as he says in his own words a “smart-ass”.
Doug Williams is not right for this job in my opinion, Reason I say this, He has NO compassion towards the parents, When parents try to communicate with him when problems arise he has NO time for them. Now I am NOT saying that Every little problem that comes up should be dealt with by Doug Williams. But after being ran around PETC for 7 months there comes a time when the BIG GUY needs to step in and fix the problem. If he had done this, there would not be so many parents upset with him and want a change. The business side of him he may very well be great at,(as long as it’s on the up and up) but that’s not his WHOLE job. If you are going to work in the school, then you also have to work with all parents and kids with concerns.
You wrote:
Again, I can’t believe the anti-Williams group continue to complain about Dr. Williams having “friends” in his staff, administration and on the board.
The problem I have with that is bias check and balances.
How good of friends are they? Will they look the other way if I do this?
Is it true that Kathleen Carter is/was his girl friend?
Did she get her position ahead of anyone else due to that fact?
It’s questions like this, this is why it is not a good ideal.
I also want to see the best for ALL children in our schools. I did not see that last year. This year has not been bad so far.. I have found that the school works better with me this year. I don’t know if it is the fact that they now know that I won’t be stifled, or because Terry Thompson is no longer there. He in my opinion is a Big Bully.
I look forward to your response. Respectfully, Maybe I’m wrong about you, you do confuse me sometimes.
To Yo Mamma
Look in the mirror. The real problem you have with the school district is probably looking back at you.
Why would you say that? I would base my problem I have with dealing with untruthful people who (more or less) said my child and myself DON’T MATTER.
If you stop treating this mess as an opportunity to carry out a personal vendetta against Dr. Williams
I have NO personal vendetta against D.Williams I don’t know the guy, never meet him. He didn’t have time, we weren’t important enough. Like I said before If he is gonna work in schools he has to work with ALL parents and kids. He didn’t do that. Instead I got ran around PETC for 7 months. That’s when I started looking to make a change. I tried to talk to him, he wouldn’t do it. I needed his help in stopping DEATH THREATS against my child. He wouldn’t meet with me. At sometime you would think that captain would control his ship. It may not be important to you but it is very important to me. My child and I went through pure hell last year and Williams would not help. I believe that DEATH THREATS would warrant some priority.
I’m not counting on anyone fighting my battles for me. I can handle that myself. I’ve done fine so far.
I don’t know of any threat made by board members to any teachers, I don’t approve of threats made by ANYONE. So I think you don’t know me as well as you might think.
I want this over with as well. I just happen to think that Williams is unable or unwilling which ever the case may be to work with parents who need for him to step in and help. That is/was part of his job too.
are you really optimistic that they consider your personal affronts to be worthy of their time?
They HAVE listened to me which is more that I have gotten before. I don’t have personal insults, I only know that we were not treated right and I would do what I could do to change that. My intention was so that NO other family go through the hell we went through last year.
To Kelly,
First I would Never reveal who these teacher are. No way.
I want to see this tape very much so. I don’t approve of violence of any kind. If I saw this it would most definitely make me rethink a few things. I want the truth to all this BS as much as you all do. I just disagree with you about Williams. Read the post above and it keeps me from retyping it. I see him through different eyes than you. I as a regular parent not a teacher/boss. As I said before my case was Death Threats and I believe it SHOULD of been important enough for him to at the very least listen to and help with it.
I in no way am speaking for the board, first of all, the teachers are teachers I have spoken to and NO ONE knows who they are and only now do they know what they have said.
To Jason, Kelly, Yo Mamma
Thank you for all your input and talking with a civil tongue. This is how things need to be discussed.
It seems there is a new “Kelly” posting, who evidently decided to drop her “M” after her name. Therefore, so there will be no confusion between us, I will further post as “Kelly Butler”. Thanks!
I don’t recall reading any statement of facts about the $700 or Vances salary on Adams’ website. Both issues are mentioned and also stated that they will be investigated.
Read the site! I am searching for information. If there are 1/2 truths there, please tell me what they are. Again, do not pull things from here and there, stick to what Adams has stated in writing on her site.
I am eager to learn what is not ture.
Something else to think about. I have read over and over on this site that the board is doing exactly what they accuse Dr. Williams of doing. Hum! You don’t seem to like that. My point is that I would guess that the board doesn’t like it either. However, they have the power to remove Williams whenever, and we have the power to remove the board at the next election.
Wow! Mrs Adams has been thorough with time-lines. Looks like a lot of money is missing? Can the Edison contract be cancelled because of payouts? Is there a feloney involved here? No insurance contract for union employees with out board approval?
Are the star’s falling out of the Supt. eyes?
The $700 and Mr. Vance’s salary were mentioned by Mrs. Adams at the board meeting during her long monotonous speech. Sorry if you chose not to attend, “Even More Confused”. No one made this up. It will all be in the School Board Meeting Minutes, so I suggest you check it out.
No, there has not been anything wrong with the Edison incentives. Please check it out before you make accusations of a felony, “William-ized”. It makes one appear to be as ignorant as Mrs. Adams. It was all clearly outlined even back in the fall by Mr. Oldham when he gave his presentation. Were you there? If so, were you listening??? Because evidently Mrs. Adams wasn’t!!
In your dreams Susan Adams has been thorough.
Money is not missing.
Too bad you believe power-hungry women who need/want to be on top.
Felony ?!? Perhaps charges against Nancy Walsh! ha!
No insurance contract for union employees? — ever heard of a walk-out? All thanks to a bunch of stupid women with hurt egos going around spinning tales and making more out of what things are.
Stars falling out of our eyes for Dr. Williams ?!? Nope!
If you were at the school board meetings, the Edison schools are not more expensive to run than the other schools in our district and actually are cheaper than a few elementary schools in our district. Also the Edision contract was reviewed by more than one attorney and is legal in our state and our district.
Also the graduation rate that Jason is talking about was discussed in an advisory committee meeting with Dr. Nichols and other Perry Township advisors. The paper was incorrect in our graduation rate. It is closer to 75% and not at the bottom of Marion County like the paper previously stated.
I am a different Kelly than Kelly M or Kelly Butler. Sorry if there was any confusion.
if you are stupid enough to walk out for this petty reason of the Supt. (which is the other side ) two sides? Labor? Administration? ya know like auto workers and management? Teamsters and the trucking owners?
Tell me what you lost in your rights?
get a life.
PARAGRAPH BY PARAGRAPH COMMENTARY of PERRYSCHOOLS.INFO
Paragraph 1
“This past week has been an uplifting one. As I attended programs in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, I realized that this Board is a catalyst for change but will never realize the rewards for making those changes.”
If you want to have an analogy - compare yourself to the black panther movement, not Marting Luther King. MLK did not use any of your tactics to make his mark on the world.
Don’t flatter yourself. You are not being all that heroic.
I sincerely hope the ‘reward’ is that voters will care very deeply who is voted onto the Board of Education. People’s character will be closely analyzed and the hard questions will be asked of the candidates. I know I will personally lobby to take school board elections out of the primary.
“Others will come behind us and build Perry Township from the bottom up and will enjoy, and earn, that glory.”(sic)
Others will come behind you and clean up the mess you made and will rightly deserve the praise for doing so. The problem is that the township wasn’t at the bottom until you put us there. So if you are looking to receive some kind of credit, please take the credit for being the catalyst for making the township look ridiculous. You deserve it.
“This is such a great and unique opportunity, for all to come together and create a model of education for others to follow.”
Are you serious? Is this what this disruption of Perry Township Schools is all about? You wanted to create a model of education for others to follow? The only thing people are following is the drama and what appears to be histrionics. While the drama is compelling, I’d prefer competence and sound decisions.
Just in case you haven’t noticed - very few are following. Fewer still are willing to openly identify themselves as a follower. That’s not a normal response to leadership.
Dear Joe Mamma,
You said that, “I’m not counting on anyone fighting my battles for me. I can handle that myself. I’ve done fine so far.”
Previously you stated, “…pretty sure that there will be more to come out because they have not used the things that I have given them yet,”
Which is it? Please make up your mind. Perhaps it is your inability to communicate that has caused your problems. It might also help if you reported the “Death Threats” to the proper authorities. Do you really believe the superintendent of a school district and the school board are able to deal with a situation that involves “Death Threats?” Try the police.
The more you write the easier it is to see why you have so many problems.
Hey Joe Mamma,
You said, “My intention was so that NO other family go through the hell we went through last year.”
Seems to me that you are failing in this endeavor as the actions of the majority members of this school board are putting many other families through a bit of heck. You might want to read a bit about Don Quixote, he was fighting giants that seem similar to the grievances you express.
You have made your bed. You will have to lay in it. I can’t say much for the company you will have with you.
You also state, “I don’t know of any threat made by board members to any teachers, I don’t approve of threats made by ANYONE. So I think you don’t know me as well as you might think.”
So I can say, “I don’t know of any threat made by individuals to any students, I don’t approve of threats made by ANYONE. So I think you don’t know me as well as you might think.”
Does that leave you with some warm fuzzies?
William-ized,
You stated:
“Wow! Mrs Adams has been thorough with time-lines. Looks like a lot of money is missing? Can the Edison contract be cancelled because of payouts? Is there a feloney involved here?”
What money is missing exactly? What are you talking about? No, the Edison contract cannot be cancelled because of payouts. It was included in the contract. It was approved in the original contract that was valid through 2005, and it was included in the newest one thorugh 2010. Multiple lawyers approved the contract and made sure everything was legal and appropriate. No feloney, unless you count it for bad spelling =) (Just giving you a hard time William-ized)
I am going to put this as nicely as I can! I am sick and tired of hearing about the October 3, 2006 meeting at RPE where Nancy Walsh and her highly esteemed note taker took a seat out of anyone’s view! I personally know almost every teacher at RPE,as well as Mr. Robinson and Mrs. Taylor. I also know what they stand behind and how they would react if infact threats were made! None of them would stand for it, no matter what was on the line! I don’t know why I continue to fight this point, as it continues to fall on deaf ears, but my gosh–focus on something else please!
Joe Mamma,
Not sure why you read anger in my response. I’m not mad at all. It actually takes quite a bit for me to get actually angry about something. I’m just frustrated that I wasn’t involved earlier and did at least something more to try to have kept some of these school board members from getting elected.
Regarding your comments:
Edison meeting: I don’t think anybody has ever stated the meeting never happened. I believe the statements are that it didn’t happen as stated and that the comments made have been taken out of context. Seems like the M.O. of the gang of four of pretty much everything they do. The reason Dr. Williams didn’t deny him saying the comments is that they were said, or something similar. The problem is that the entire context of the comments are not being shared. Dr. Williams reference to BB’s and 12-gauge’s was in response to a teacher’s question about what they could do next to help support their school. I find it odd that the board and anti-Williams supporters are criticizing teachers and parents for being passionate about their school.
[Side note, I’m not sure why you’re going ahead and spelling out some of your words. We know exactly what you’re saying and I’m the one that moderates comments, so your comments will make it through]
$700 Dinners: You stated, “I feel someone is spending our taxpayers money pretty foolishly. That I’m not happy with.” So, you’re unhappy with that, but you don’t care about a board member requesting hugely expensive 3rd party audit without doing her own research, you approve of the money being spent to hire an additional attorney, you approve of the money being spent for a facilitator when we could have a free one, you approve of the money being spent on security at school board meetings that’s unneeded, you approve money being paid to our superintendent for doing nothing because they don’t have anything they can actually use to fire him, you approve of significantly increasing the pay of the interim supt.? I believe the board has mismanaged finances to a far more damaging degree in 3 months than Dr. Williams ever has in 13 years.
360 Degrees: Susan stated that teachers should make a 360 degree turn with their efforts. If they did that they’d be facing the same way they were initially. Little, but obvious mistake.
Graduation Rate: stay tuned about this one, I’ll be posting something on the TBPS site this evening about this.
Statements by School Board Members: You stated, “Seems to me that they can’t say these things in public unless they are true or at least they have to be able to back them up. I was referring to the school board.” Seemingly they can, and they can also package them up in a media kit and hand them to the press as from the entire board, when it was nothing of the sort. Yet, the public can’t say anything in the alotted time for public comments. We can’t ask about personnel issues and the board can’t share, until Susan Adams decides to almost read from Dr. William’s personnel file at the Monday night board meeting. She didn’t deny it either. I may not get the quote verbatim, but she said something along the lines of “surely I can talk about personnel issues if I want to since I’m the President”. Ummm, wrong!
Comments about yelling/hatefulness: The entire auditorium was nothing but civil when the four board members left. It was probably one of the best opportunities for public comment I’ve ever seen at a school board meeting. Everyone that spoke was intelligent, respectfully and courteous. You want to know why? Because the three board members that remained and Mr. Nichols respected us and listened intently to what we had to say. They didn’t smirk, sneer, pass notes, ding or interupt us. Regarding examples to my kids? I want them to see that when things aren’t right, you must stand up and fight for what is right. I’ve done nothing that I wouldn’t be proud of my son doing in the same situation. I wonder if the four board members could say that about their own children and their actions.
Mark Thompson’s Email/Vmail: I do have examples of his bullying and threats. However, I’ve been asked by the individuals on the receiving end not to publish them because of their concern over him lashing out more. I’m still trying to encourage them to allow me to publish them. Hopefully I can convince them, because this type of behaviour should be exposed with a bright spotlight.
My wife: You commented, “I was referring to when she yelled out “You go Charlie”. And the chanting. The girls - the 4 board members.” Who is Charlie? Why would she yell that out?
Mob Behaviour: You commented, “As was pointed out Monday night and you would have heard it if you had stayed, I only left because of the Mob like behavior and I was afraid it was gonna get out of hand. I would of liked to of stayed. But with all the hate and ranting and raving going on, I thought it was best to leave with the kids.” You should have stayed, there was nothing even close to mob behaviour exhibited by the audience. You’re mistaken again.
Dr. Williams working with parents: I’ll agree with you on this one, but only to a point. There’s no way that ANY individual is going to make everyone happy, and shouldn’t be held responsible for doing so. As with any situation in the “real world” why wouldn’t you go above his head in this situation? He works for the board right? Why didn’t you go to the board? Did you? What else did you do? I’m not sure all the details of what happened in your situation, and by no means am I trying to belittle it or brush it under the carpet. But is something happens to my kids that would make me that upset towards an individual for not doing something, I’d still be yelling about it. Maybe that’s what you’re doing now. I don’t know.
Friends and checks/balances: You’re throwing some strong accusations around. Do you have proof that Dr. Williams had some kind of relationship with K.Carter? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be accusing anyone of it by name if I didn’t have rock solid proof. There have been rumors of this sort about other people that could be published on this, but I haven’t allowed it to happen. I’d caution you to be careful. You asked about checks/balances. I believe there are checks/balances for the supt., it’s called the school board. If they would have followed procedures and handled the situation like they should have, I’d probably be backing them more right now. The problem is they haven’t. Let me ask you this though, who holds the school board in check. As we’ve seen through this whole ordeal, the public/parents/citizens are powerless to really do anything. When we try, even those opposed to us outside the school board tell us to shut-up, “elections are over”, etc. How is a school board held in check? I personally believe a judicial oversight committee should be appointed and should be comprised of principals, teachers, parents, students, and local business leaders.
Best for children: It confuses me how you can say you want the best for children, but can agree with what’s happened in this township over the past few months. That’s a mystery to me.
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“We not only have management issues with Dr. Williams, we have basic fundamental differences in educational philosophy.”
If this was really an issue, then why did his review not reflect that concern. In fact, education was the area where he received his best scores on his review - an 8 out of a possible 10. (and yes, I have a copy of his review)
“Our former leader scoffed at the government for enacting No Child Left Behind.”
Hearsay.
Now if you had said that at the such and such meeting on an exact date that had someone recording the conversation this could be a point of fact. Then the public could look it up and determine for ourselves if he ’scoffed’ at it or if you just think he scoffed at it, or the context in which he scoffed at it.
” No Child Left Behind has forced the education community to address the needs of ALL students.”
Maybe. What it *might* be doing is lowering expectations so lazy Lucy and Lance look like they are actually doing something.
‘No Child Left Behind’ sounds good, but it isn’t having near the the desired effect - anywhere, and there is a reason - it focuses on the stragglers. The truth is that the stragglers need a different type of educational process and a different method for measuring progress.
SIDEBAR: Interesting 3 part article addressing this situation in the WSJ a couple of weeks ago.
“He minimized the importance of the state ISTEP exam.”
And he’s alone in that? NOT!
“The ISTEP exam is a valid instrument to measure achievement.”
The operative word here is ‘a’. It isn’t the only instrument. It may not even be the most important instrument. If it’s the only one you have or the only one you care about, then you may be missing something.
“I’m sure if our scores had been at the top of Marion County instead of the bottom, they would have been seen as much more valid.”
Maybe. But the last time the scores were high we had a different kind of board and we had a different demographic. The scores have been edging down for a number of years, and it started about 6 years ago when there was a shift in both the board and the township demographics. Before that we had a board that worked closely with the superintendent and we had a median income of $55,000 per year. We have had an influx of cheaper homes, more multi-family dwellings and board members intent on micro-managing. When the man was allowed to do his job and the prices of homes were higher, the township scores were good. All you have to do is look at the data and you can see where it started.
I don’t think he’s changed all that much, but the board certainly HAS changed and so have the demographics.
Where *I* believe the problem lies is in the lack of leadership at the board level that helps instill in parents the need to put a premium on education and get involved in the educational process. If you were to do that, it wouldn’t really matter who the superintendent happens to be. Look at Zionsville, and Fishers. Both places had superintendents that had poor judgment and it wasn’t even a blip on the radar - because of the strong community and family support for the schools.
The fact that you can’t get along with the guy isn’t nearly as much of an indictment on him as it is on you. Previous boards may not have liked his manner with them, but they knew he was an effective educator and they knew it wasn’t about them or him, it was REALLY about the kids. You guys only claim it’s about the kids.
Admin~
I think Mrs. Adams could use your help on her website. She’s added some new things, and her pages are out of order.
It is interesting, though, how we’ve been hearing for MONTHS about this threatening letter from Terry Rice. Isn’t it funny how one person’s viewpoint of “threatening” can be so different than another’s? What I read in the letter is that he feels that there are difficulties and strained relationships, and he cautions that in the 1980s, that there were TERRIBLE relations and that it was very detrimental to the teachers and the township. Being an advocate for the teachers, he claims that he will not stand back and let that happen….that he will do everything in his power to see that this township NEVER slips back into the chaos that it once knew.
What Mrs. Adams views as “threatening” is what I personally view as a man who passionately wanted to protect the teachers, the students, the township, and the all parties involved in the decision-making process. He wanted to prevent the muck that we are currently sinking into!! He wanted to maintain top-notch teachers in MSDPT and maintain morale.
I am appreciative that Mrs. Adams has now posted it so that we could all see, that once again, her claims hold no merit.
I appreciate that Mrs. Adams posted her email that Mrs. Thompson sent to her from her place of employment (which I’m sure her boss appreciates paying her to dig up trash on MSDPT while on the job). I appreciate how “professional” Mrs. Thompson’s first statement in the article (”things that make you go hmmmmm……”) so adequately sums it all up! I’m sure she spent a great deal of time researching about the Edison “houses”, when all she would have had to do was to enter one of the buildings to find it out. I’m sure it took even more time to locate those facts and figures, too. However, had Mrs. Thompson, Mrs. Walsh, and Mrs. Adams simply paid attention to Mr. Oldham’s presentation regarding the Edison schools at the board meeting, instead of whispering, passing notes, eye-rolling, and nailtapping, they would have heard the information right then and know that it is perfectly legal and was reviewed by attorneys. Too bad they wasted so much energy and time!
I appreciate that she posted most of what she said at the meeting the other night so that people can see for themselves that she quotes things that are not true. I appreciate that she prepared packets for the media, (although she had not shared them with fellow board members prior to the meeting) because I enjoyed reading the media’s comments about how she was smug, smirking, and taunting the audience as she read. I appreciated the media’s comments about how rude she was, even to her fellow board members, and how she broke board bylaws by reading personnel information to the public. Great move! It only confirmed to the public how unprofessional and unethical she is!
I thank her for that, because now those individuals who were “sitting on the fence” are now convinced that she is corrupt! I believe SHE accomplished more support for TBPS with her website and actions at Monday’s board meeting than WE have in the past 4 months!! Thanks a heap, madam president!! :0)
Admn- thanks for the grammar correction :). Honestly there IS money missing. There is also money listed that isn’t there. State audit should find it all.
Just keep an open mind TBPS, I feel you are sincere in your efforts to get our township schools back to the high stardards we all thing they should be.
Does anyone have a copy of the 2003 and 2005 audits? Unfortunately they are not available for download for perusal.
If you have them, could you (or someone you know) scan them and save them as a PDF file?
I will be happy to purchase them and scan them and put them out there for anyone to look at if no one has them.
If someone gets this information or any other related information or documents. I’ll be more than happy to foot the bill for the server space and bandwidth and add them to this site.
Admin - no need for a grammar correction. Honestly, there IS NOT money missing. All of the money listed is there. The State audit would have found it if this were not true.
Just keep a watchful eye on the anti-TBPS-ized folks, I feel they are not sincere in their efforts to get our township schools back to the high stardards to which we all think they should be.