Just received this message from someone that allowed us to place one of our large signs and smaller signs at variety of their locations.
I just wanted to let you know it was not us that removed the large 4×8 sign at our house. It was removed from our yard sometime between 12:30 last night and 7 AM this morning. They clearly trespassed onto our property to do so. All of the smaller signs have been removed at all of our properties and also at Bluff and Epler. All of the signs at US 31 and Stop 11 are still there. Probably because it is so visible. I really cannot believe these people are so low. I am outraged to say the least. If you have anymore smaller signs and have time you are welcome to put them up.Â
There you go. And you want this guy intercepting your confidential e-mails, phone calls and mailed documents that are relating to your children?
I saw these signs last night as I came home from a friend’s house in Emerald Highlands in the Nancy Walsh’s front yard…
the above comment can be seconded. i also witnessed these signs in emerald highlands. it seemed as if someone took the signs and posted them in nancy walsh’s front yard. maybe they are trying to make a statement or tell nancy something?!
Yes, that makes sense. I did see them in their front yard yesterday, too!
One thing to be aware of though. There is an ordinance in the city in which they have the right and remove any signs from light poles and intersection corners to keep down on clutter and trash. I have seen city workers do this many times at Bluff Rd. and Southport Rd. several times over the year.
I want to see more orange signs!!! (We have one in our front yard)
This same thing happened during the elections.
Many candidates signs came up missing for a few weeks, amazingly everyones but one candidates( F. Lee Robbins) Until the final few days and then a few of his disappeared.
Are you part of the solution or part of the problem?
I choose to be part of the solution.
Short of stealing them, where can I get the signs? I desperately want them on my lawn!
The large wooden signs, wherever they are placed, are in violation of city code. This is a visual litter issue; there are plenty of other vehicles/forums for public discussion.
I recently researched the cost of the signs. They are $3.02 per sign to produce. The TAKE BACK PERRY SCHOOLS team is trying to place the sign in highly visible locations. I requested permission to send a letter to my friends allowing them to purchase the signs and suggesting at the same time that they write the check for $5 or more to help donate to the cause. My letters are completed and the forms are printed out. I’m sending extra copies of the forms for my friends, family, and neighbors to pass out to their friends, family, and neighbors.
Perhaps this website could have a Request a Sign section!!
My sign has been missing for a week. Of course, we live just a couple of doors from the Walshes. Coincidence?
Why dont all of you willing to buy these signs for $5 save your money and put it into a fund to pay off Dr.Williams contract so Perry Township Schools can really move forward and hire someone to lead our school system forward.
Cookie,
The responsibility to pay out the contract for Dr. Williams will fall on the current school board. The board put themselves in a position to do so. Additionally, the money will have to come from the general fund. The end result will be fewer funds for the classrooms.
If Dr. Williams is paid out, it will be the taxpayers of Perry Township who will be forced to pay for this decision. Those who wish to display the signs you refer to and those who wish not to……tax increases will not discriminate based on your opinion on this matter.
That comes to $7 a person in the Township. Lets’ pass the hat!!! Stop making people think that taxes are going to increase at a tremendous rate. That’s only $2 more than your orange signs. It’s even cheaper than going to the movies (except the $1 movies). Your comment about taxes raising is a bully tactic and that needs to stop. If the payoff is a must, then so be it. You don’t raise taxes, you readjust your budget through good, sound, financial management.
Cookie,
I appreciate your comments. My thoughts are not intended to be a “bully tactic” but I do not feel as if any of the 4 board members are focusing on the financial impact of their decisions. Therefore, I will not apologize for approaching this issue from an economic standpoint. Educational funds are hard to come by and I feel strongly that any extra funds should be kept in the classroom. If we need to increase taxes why not do it for something worthwhile like building a new school, adding teachers or programs? Any tangible benefit to the township would not be met with such resistance.
Additionally, good, sound financial management is a great idea. Buying out a recently renewed contract and proposing an expensive audit does not show great financial restraint. You may disagree and certainly have the right to do so.
I believe, but am not certain, that the current budget surplus is about 30 to 40K. If that is the surplus, any expenses incurred over and above that amount would put the township in the red. If the township goes into the red, it is then managed by the state. That has happened once before in Perry Township. Speaking from experience, it is not a pretty or pleasant site. Once that happens, it becomes very difficult to retain qualified staff and recruit new staff (teachers and top level administrative staff). Please think about this before comparing the operation of a 93 million dollar school corporation to the purchase of a 7 dollar yard sign. How comfortable and secure would you feel working for a company who was operating in the red? How comfortable and secure would you feel recommending that your son or daughter take their 1st job with a company operating in the red?
Ken
You state that you have had experience with the school corporation going into the “red” and the state taking over. I certainly would not wish for this to happen, but if our surplus is a measley $40M it seems to indicate we already had a problem. I can assure you that I have substantially more than that in my own personal reserve and I am not even close to the nearly $150 Million budget of the school corporation. Something seems very wrong here. I am no financial expert here but we as a township have two choices here: A) We tighten our belt and cut expenses(not educational services)or B)We increase revenues. The Williams supporters suggest that we would have to raise taxes. I wiil presume there are other ways to raise revenues that are not suggested by those same supporters. I would like to offer a few examples of how this works when looking at a simple model.
Max and Erma (after the eatery that I used to frequent when it was within my budget) discover thier child needs a new innovative surgery which would allow him to walk normal again. Unfortunately the cost is $40M and insurance will not cover it. They do not have enough savings and they both work two jobs to make ends meet. Option “A” is ruled out. After looking at the budget they discover there is no way to afford this $40M.Option “B” is out. Erma looks in the garage and sees that $40M Two seat convertable sports car Max bought for his 50th Birthday. Back to option A: Increase Revenue. Sounds viable to me. This is certaianly an over simplifcation but I think my points are made. We as a “township community” can figure this out. Lets get past this political “crappolla” and get to work. (Sorry! Can I say that Jason? No vulgarity intended.)
Ken
Got to typing too fast again. I got options A and B mixed up.
OOPS!! I think you get my point. Again, Lets get to work.
Renee….I don’t get your point. No offense. It just doesn’t make sense.
Kelly
If you can’t increase revenues (Max and Erma already work two jobs), then get rid of the extra (excess not necessary - can do without, just a want and not a need - sports car)In other words, if you prefer not to raise taxes, look at the excess in the township and start trimming the fat. How many administrators do we really need? How many township cars do we really need? How many administrators really need to go on “educational” trips? How many “educational” trips are really necessary? Now do you understand? The William’s supporters are using the idea of raising taxes as political propaganda to fuel the next election. They will try anything in desperation. The township was already in a nose dive due to mismanagement and bad leadership.They are trying to lay the blame for this mess on the new board members when it is really the current Williams administration and past boards who have created this mess. I don’t know about you but my real estate taxes have increased 33% in the last 12 years. This correlated with Williams time as superintendant and I am not laying that on Williams. Should I ?? I’m just asking you to think about what is really going on and don’t get caught up in the propaganda. The Williams Group is trying to cover up and cloud the issues. At the very least what has been taking place under this administration has been highly unethical and in no way has their behavior or leadership been in the best interest of the children. I am not going to crucify Williams, although I probably could. I prefer to take the same high road as the board. Williams just needs to walk away and save himself any more embarassment. Doug Williams will not be returning as superintendant any time soon.
Renee,
I disagree wholeheartedly with several of your statements:
1) “They will try anything in desperation.”
Do you not accept that this is at least a bit of hyperbole?
2) “The township was already in a nose dive due to mismanagement and bad leadership.”
Some stats or other proof to back up your premise would be welcome.
3) “The Williams Group is trying to cover up and cloud the issues.”
Here is another opportunity for you to present some data or other information to support your opinion.
4) “At the very least what has been taking place under this administration has been highly unethical and in no way has their behavior or leadership been in the best interest of the children.”
Do you believe the manner in which the majority of this board has been operating is ethical? I know you like the results of what they are doing, but what about their tactics? Will they really benefit children? If they treated you the way they are treating those that disagree with them, would feel the same way?
It is not desperation that drives me, I have not tried to cover up anything and I have not clouded any issues. I just use big words with an arrogant attitude; however, I do believe in due process. Something that is foreign to the majority of the current board.
Please don’t be a demagogue.
Michael
I think you can find the answer to your questions in some of my many posts. Just read between the lines. You could also check my case file to which you have access.
As far as demagogues are concerned “one must fight fire with fire”. Look in the mirror. Are you a demagogue? Think about this “Lunatic Fringe” and “Gang of Four” you coined these words for what intention? They have negative connotations and promote prejudice.Big words,I don’t have a problem with that. I know how to reference a dictionary. Arrogance “to me” is a weakness. It seeks to demean and seperate us from the diversity which exsist in the real world. I hold myself in no higher esteem than the homeless man. One philosiphy that I adhere to is from a quote associated with Bobby Kennedy.
“Everyone is someone’s Loved One”
Respectfully Renee
Respectfully Renee,
Perhaps providing some data, statistics or other information to support your suppositions would assist in not having to read between the lines?
Perhaps answering direct questions would assist with creating a dialog?
Is it necessary for you to define what various words mean to you so that we can ensure you are interpreting our message correctly? Maybe if the aforementioned dialog is created you will allow me to express my meaning and not have to guess at what particular words mean to you?
The following is presented as the answers the questions you have posed to me:
The “Gang of Four” has been used by me as a moniker for selected member of this school board as I believe there is a minor analogy between what is happening in MSD Perry Township today and what happened with the original Gang of Four during the Cultural Revolution in China circa 1966 - 1976. The main parallel between these two Gangs of Four being a lack of due process provided to individuals that were identified as opponents of the governing leadership.
The “Lunatic Fringe” statement relates to a song by Tom Cochrane, lead singer of the group Red Rider.
Lunatic Fringe lyrics:
Lunatic Fringe - I know you’re out there
You’re in hiding, and you hold your meetings
I can hear you coming, and I know what you’re after
We’re wise to you this time - we won’t let you kill the laughter
Lunatic Fringe - in the twilight’s last gleaming
This is open season, but you won’t get too far
‘Cause you got to blame someone for your own confusion
We’re all on guard this time against the Final Solution
We can hear you coming - no, you’re not going to win this time
We can hear the footsteps out along the walkway
Lunatic Fringe - we all know you’re out there
Can you feel the resistance?
Can you feel the thunder?
Both of my monikers seem apropos from my perspective. You do not need to agree, but you did ask.
Yes, I enjoy Trivial Pursuit, long walks around the golf course (while listening to 80s Rock and Roll) and reading history books. My posts are a reflection of me as a person.
Can you accept the diversity that is presented by the arrogant big word decent writer demagogue participating in discussions related to this school district? Perhaps the only diversity you support is the type that agrees with you?
Finally, exactly how would I have access to your case file?
Thanks for the insight on your background. Unless others are from your era or taste in music or have an interest in the Cultural Revolution circa 1966-1976, no one has any idea that this is why you are using these labels. To others, these labels are demeaning and disrespectful. I don’t have a problem conversing with you when you are respectful. We don’t have to agree either. You seem testy and I’m not sure why. I’m trying to understand your perspective, are you attempting to understand mine? When I speak of diversity, I’m speaking about cultural diversity and the need to understand others and not disrespect them. I’m not sure what type of diversity you are talking about. To me it’s more about personality differences and I don’t see where personality differences come under diversity.
You seem to know the details of my son’s case, especially when you asked me why I was pursuing a 504 case instead of IDEA. I don’t recall ever bringing this up in any conversation. That is why I stated you must have access to my son’s case file - not direct access, but you know someone who does.
I have no idea who you are and know nothing about your case. I have never discussed you, your case or your child’s issues with anyone. 100% of what I know about you, your case and your child’s issues are derived from what I have read on these forums.
The conclusions that you draw in regard to me demonstrate something about you; especially since some of my responses have been to alternate pseudonyms that you are using. I was not aware of the variety that you are using until now.
Though you do not like it, I have been through similar experiences as you. Perhaps it is my familiarity with the law, rules and regulations governing the education of special needs children that has caused you confusion and lead to your false conclusion that I have access to your file. It is my opinion that Barbara Thompson is wrong to give you carte blanche as the exemplar for parents of special needs children in Perry Township (I am guessing that you are the individual that she references in an email to me).
As to diversity - diversity is diversity. It should be valued whether it is cultural, religious, political, social, personal, racial, or any number of other things that make us different from one another. The values that you seem to espouse appear to be analogous to Newspeak. It seems that I have been convicted of Thoughtcrime (obscure George Orwell reference). I guess I am guilty as charged.
I do like analogies; especially those drawn from history and literature. I will continue to use them and allow the reader to identify if they infer something meaningful.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” George Santayana
The lack of due process utilized by the majority of the current school board sets a dangerous precedent. You should appreciate this above others as you have utilized formal steps for due process and know personally there value. When individuals short circuit due process for others no one is served well. It is my opinion that weekend phone calls made only to board members that you agree with in order to determine a vote prior to any discussion from the minority view does not indicate a willingness to follow due process.
If replying “To Michael”, “To John”, “To Mary” are what you call “pseudonyms” then yes, I have used them. Originally, you wouldn’t respond when I used my name. You have given me more information about me than I have given you. Whatever converstion you have had with one of the Board members is not a conversation I know about. What proof do you have she is referring to me? There are many parents out there with special needs children who have concerns. You state that “I don’t like it because you have a similar experience than me - what makes you say that? Don’t assume things just because we may see things differently. If everyone in the world agreed, then life would be dull and boring. Communication and respect are very important. I don’t have to agree with your view and you don’t have to agree with mine, but we should respect each other’s opinions. I don’t think you are a bad person because you feel the board has wronged the superintendant and you shouldn’t feel that I’m a bad person because I may agree with their mode of operation. It’s okay to disagree.
Thank you for enlightening me on your perspective and philosophy. It’s been very educational. Good luck with your pursuit of happiness and rock-n-roll.
Respectfully,
Renee (my real name)
To Respectfully Renee (my real name),
You state that, “You have given me more information about me than I have given you.” So you are calling me a liar? I am not sure whether to feel emboldened in that my powers of deductive reasoning are still hiding under the radar or to be offended that apparently you find it obvious that I could not have arrived at my conclusions through the use of my intellect.
A conspiracy does not exist. No need for additional law suits. My post regarding IDEA and FAPE was generic in nature. It was a query to what I thought were 3 or 4 other individuals that seemed to mention section 504 (FAPE) as the criteria for how MSD Perry was failing special needs children. The question still remains. Why would FAPE be used as the basis for an appeal when IDEA provides the basis for a stronger case?
Finally, in regard to your statement, “Originally, you wouldn’t respond when I used my name,” I am not sure that you could find many individuals that are active in this forum that would believe I do not respond to the posts of others, especially to one that has provided so many adjectives to describe their opinion of me. It is very likely that you will find a majority of others that desire for me to stop posting altogether, but not many that would agree with your accusation.
I am sure that this horse is dead. I will unilaterally cease and desist from taking us further off topic for this thread. You may now add arbitrary and capricious to the growing list of descriptors for me.
I’d like to commend everyone- very nice maturity shown here. And YOU’RE worried about the Board? Might want to spend some time with your reasons for all the broo-ha-ha instead of belittling one another. You’re children must be so proud. AND comment away about me- I won’t be back, this has been an utter waste of my time and electricity. I’m going to go hang out with my children.
What are you talking about? And you’re being no less arrogant than any of the rest of us. You assume to think you know how we parent our children and how much time we spend with them. You complain about belittling one another and yet you do the same. Sounds like pot-kettle syndrome to me.
Actually, I am spending time with my child, she’s getting a real education from this site. Thanks for being so concerned about me and mine. Good luck to you.
They rather spend time on their computers than their children. And the funny thing is most of them won’t even show up for the meeting!
My daughter told me that a male friend of hers got “signed” over the weekend - he woke up to find a whole lot of signs, including many TBPS orange signs, in his front yard. HIs mother said she wasn’t taking them out - they were fine there. However, if you live in McFarland Farms and lost your sign over the weekend, you might want to cruise around until you find where they all are, and get yours back. This was not the little old gray-haired lady in the silver car - just goofy high schoolers.
For all the residents of Killarney Hills/Emerald Highlands-
The city workers were removing the signs, not because of any grievous lawbreaking, but because there is one resident in here that is causing trouble.
[Names and personal details edited by Admin]. This harpy wouldn’t even allow our snowplow contractor to put up stakes to keep from damaging our sod. When they did, she called the city to have them removed. They probably removed the signs while they were down here.
Maybe she needs to run for PTSB…she’d fit right in with her God syndrome.