Comments on: If My Kids Were Abused, Would I Express It In Public? http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/ An Online Forum for Voices to be Heard and Facts Understood Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:52:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: Shocked http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-169 Shocked Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:03:50 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-169 If I did favor the removal of Dr. Williams, I certainly would not voice that now. I would run the risk of being group with a bunch of people that don't appear to have much business savy and professionalism. I think most people would view anyone wanting Dr. Williams gone as having the same mentality and motives as those 4 board members and if it were me, I would not want that. If I did favor the removal of Dr. Williams, I certainly would not voice that now. I would run the risk of being group with a bunch of people that don’t appear to have much business savy and professionalism. I think most people would view anyone wanting Dr. Williams gone as having the same mentality and motives as those 4 board members and if it were me, I would not want that.

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By: Saddened Mom http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-175 Saddened Mom Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:26:03 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-175 If someone's child was truly abused, then Dr. Williams would not be the appropriate individual to handle the situation. There is an agency to handle such situations! It's called Child Protective Services!!! For heaven sakes! Children who are sexually molested should be taken to Riley Hospital Emergency Department where a specially trained individual can examine the child, collect information, and when possible, forensic evidence! Dr. Williams is HARDLY trained in this area!!!!! Children who are otherwise abused or neglected should be interviewed by CPS. Dr. Williams is not the judge and jury! My son attended another school district where his Kindergarten teacher sexually molested several children. He is now spending 30 years behind bars, and I ASSURE you that it was NOT the superintendent who made that happen!!!!!!!!!! Get the facts straight! If someone’s child was truly abused, then Dr. Williams would not be the appropriate individual to handle the situation. There is an agency to handle such situations! It’s called Child Protective Services!!! For heaven sakes! Children who are sexually molested should be taken to Riley Hospital Emergency Department where a specially trained individual can examine the child, collect information, and when possible, forensic evidence! Dr. Williams is HARDLY trained in this area!!!!! Children who are otherwise abused or neglected should be interviewed by CPS. Dr. Williams is not the judge and jury! My son attended another school district where his Kindergarten teacher sexually molested several children. He is now spending 30 years behind bars, and I ASSURE you that it was NOT the superintendent who made that happen!!!!!!!!!! Get the facts straight!

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By: Michael Taylor http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-187 Michael Taylor Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:46:25 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-187 If my child was the victim of abuse, I would do everything in my power to ensure that the perpetrator was punished, including the expression of my thoughts in public. I would not only do this for my child, I would do this to ensure that other children obtained protection from the abuser. If my child was not an actual victim of abuse and I was using the allegation of abuse as a weapon to defeat an opponent, I would keep silent fearing the light that public scrutiny would shed on my false allegation. What parent that truly loved their child would remain silent if that child were abused? What person that actually cared about children would remain silent if they had evidence of abuse? The answer: a coward. What else could be expected of a person identified as "Google Researcher?" How seriously can this person be taken? They do not even have the courage to associate their name with their comments. If my child was the victim of abuse, I would do everything in my power to ensure that the perpetrator was punished, including the expression of my thoughts in public. I would not only do this for my child, I would do this to ensure that other children obtained protection from the abuser.

If my child was not an actual victim of abuse and I was using the allegation of abuse as a weapon to defeat an opponent, I would keep silent fearing the light that public scrutiny would shed on my false allegation.

What parent that truly loved their child would remain silent if that child were abused? What person that actually cared about children would remain silent if they had evidence of abuse? The answer: a coward.

What else could be expected of a person identified as “Google Researcher?” How seriously can this person be taken? They do not even have the courage to associate their name with their comments.

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By: Christy http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-193 Christy Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:13:59 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-193 Exactly I think there are a lot of accusations going around. Before presenting those accusations I would sit back and check what I am getting into, because if these accusations are out there it is bound to come up. Stating that someone ignored such a thing is serious, and if it isn't true I wouldn't be surprised if an investigation isn't launched because this is slander, someones name is being tarnished without proof. If this is true and it was my kids I would have gone to the police, the governor, mayor every news media options out there so it didn't happened again. Why would you leave your kids in that situation if it were the case that makes you an abuser too. We all need to be adults and stick to the facts of the situation if there is proof then present it. Exactly I think there are a lot of accusations going around. Before presenting those accusations I would sit back and check what I am getting into, because if these accusations are out there it is bound to come up. Stating that someone ignored such a thing is serious, and if it isn’t true I wouldn’t be surprised if an investigation isn’t launched because this is slander, someones name is being tarnished without proof. If this is true and it was my kids I would have gone to the police, the governor, mayor every news media options out there so it didn’t happened again. Why would you leave your kids in that situation if it were the case that makes you an abuser too. We all need to be adults and stick to the facts of the situation if there is proof then present it.

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By: Renee http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-221 Renee Sun, 03 Dec 2006 13:11:13 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-221 I believe these accusations are true. I know. I have been fighting the Township for 3 years with the mental abuse my son has gone through with teachers, coaches and administration. He has been discriminated and excluded from activities that he is capable of participating in only because the teachers, coaches, and administrators are circling the wagons and not accommodating a child with a disability. I went to Dr. Williams with my concern 3 years ago and he called my son's disability a "disease". He had the attitude that because my son had a disability that he probably couldn't participate and I was imagining that my son was capable. He said he would look into the matter and give me a call. When I didn't get a return phone call, I went to the Civil Rights Commission and filed a complaint. I tried to get my concerns in the newspaper to "let everyone know what was going on". The newspaper did write up a short article, but wouldn't follow up on our concerns until the CRC gave us probable cause. The township has not been cooperative with the Civil Rights Commission. They have "accidentally" lost information and have refused to give information. I have done everything that "Saddened Mom" has stated a parent should do, but unless you have cooperation from the Township, there's not much authorities can do. This year, the Civil Rights Commission denied probable cause to my son's case. At the review last month because I appealed the CRC's findings, my son's case was remanded and will be investigated again. The public doesn't hear about these cases because the Township's Insurance Company takes care of the bill. As far as "Shocked" is concerned, I'm shocked that you would continue to follow a group that is discriminating and exclusionary of all students. The 4 board members have heard many concerns like mine and have had the same uncooperative behavior exhibited to them by the administration. I was told by administration last year that the schools discriminate against everyone. That is illegal, but this attitude has been approved by top administration. We shouldn't be afraid of what others think, we should be concerned about doing the right thing. To Michael Taylor: because of my strong belief in doing the right thing for my son, my son has been outcast by his peers in the activity he competes in. It is sad when your neighbor's child is the same age as my son and when his friend comes over, the friend's parent is yelling out the window to her son, "don't go over to the ___________'s house!" when my son is outside in hearing range of the whole conversation and the parent knows it. I will say that my son has been a part of the activity, but he is not given the same opportunity as the others. The Teacher/Coach has determined through visual discretion/discrimination that my son (even though he can compete and proved it in middle school when it was mandated that he compete and last year when he helped the team "win" in a competition) can't get any better because he has decided that my son won't get any stronger. This Teacher/Coach is not a doctor and doesn't have the knowledge or the expertise to understand my son's disability. If the teacher/coach would base the decision of who was competing on the correct criteria for the sport instead of visual discrimination and exclusion, my son would have many more opportunities to compete. It's time to say enough is enough. If you would like more information, give your phone # to Jason and he can give it to me. I believe these accusations are true. I know. I have been fighting the Township for 3 years with the mental abuse my son has gone through with teachers, coaches and administration. He has been discriminated and excluded from activities that he is capable of participating in only because the teachers, coaches, and administrators are circling the wagons and not accommodating a child with a disability. I went to Dr. Williams with my concern 3 years ago and he called my son’s disability a “disease”. He had the attitude that because my son had a disability that he probably couldn’t participate and I was imagining that my son was capable. He said he would look into the matter and give me a call. When I didn’t get a return phone call, I went to the Civil Rights Commission and filed a complaint. I tried to get my concerns in the newspaper to “let everyone know what was going on”. The newspaper did write up a short article, but wouldn’t follow up on our concerns until the CRC gave us probable cause. The township has not been cooperative with the Civil Rights Commission. They have “accidentally” lost information and have refused to give information. I have done everything that “Saddened Mom” has stated a parent should do, but unless you have cooperation from the Township, there’s not much authorities can do. This year, the Civil Rights Commission denied probable cause to my son’s case. At the review last month because I appealed the CRC’s findings, my son’s case was remanded and will be investigated again. The public doesn’t hear about these cases because the Township’s Insurance Company takes care of the bill. As far as “Shocked” is concerned, I’m shocked that you would continue to follow a group that is discriminating and exclusionary of all students. The 4 board members have heard many concerns like mine and have had the same uncooperative behavior exhibited to them by the administration. I was told by administration last year that the schools discriminate against everyone. That is illegal, but this attitude has been approved by top administration. We shouldn’t be afraid of what others think, we should be concerned about doing the right thing.

To Michael Taylor: because of my strong belief in doing the right thing for my son, my son has been outcast by his peers in the activity he competes in. It is sad when your neighbor’s child is the same age as my son and when his friend comes over, the friend’s parent is yelling out the window to her son, “don’t go over to the ___________’s house!” when my son is outside in hearing range of the whole conversation and the parent knows it. I will say that my son has been a part of the activity, but he is not given the same opportunity as the others. The Teacher/Coach has determined through visual discretion/discrimination that my son (even though he can compete and proved it in middle school when it was mandated that he compete and last year when he helped the team “win” in a competition) can’t get any better because he has decided that my son won’t get any stronger. This Teacher/Coach is not a doctor and doesn’t have the knowledge or the expertise to understand my son’s disability. If the teacher/coach would base the decision of who was competing on the correct criteria for the sport instead of visual discrimination and exclusion, my son would have many more opportunities to compete. It’s time to say enough is enough.

If you would like more information, give your phone # to Jason and he can give it to me.

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By: Saddened Mom http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-228 Saddened Mom Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:30:10 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-228 Mrs. Schoettle, There is a BIG difference between a child being sexually or physically abused...and having difficulty with the GOLF team!!! You really have nerve to even try to compare them!!! (Being the mother of a child who WAS sexually assaulted, I have a difficult time with you trying to put them in the same category!!) As I explained before, sexual abuse allegations do NOT stop at the superintendent level! Anyone who is making such a claim would be lying. Child protective services would NOT end an investigation of an alleged sexual assault because Dr. Williams did not cooperate! Face it! The newspaper didn't have much to print about your story because they realized that you were a bitter mother who was angry because her son has a disability and issues with the golf team. End of story. Not much to write! You need to understand that even kids who DON'T have disabilities don't always make the team!!! AND they also have to deal with coaches and their criticisms, as well as not getting all the "playing time" they desire!! Think I'm being heartless? Not at all! I, too, have a son with a disability, but I don't use it as an excuse, nor do I let him! We realized very young that he was not as talented as some of his peers at particular sports. It doesn't mean that he cannot still enjoy the sport if he isn't on the school team! We also helped our son to discover other talents and interests in which he DOES excell. Our son is happy, kindhearted, and has learned to embrace his disability. He knows that God made him "special" for a reason. We also dealt with pains of our son enduring ridicule and teasing, but we taught him how to deal with disappointment and challenges in a positive manner. Our son has learned to laugh at himself and find joy through volunteering and giving of himself. He now has many kids laughing WITH him instead of AT him. You spend WAAYYY too much time trying to fight everyone because of your anger! Focus some of that energy into helping your son find another avenue that he enjoys! What about music, drama, or art? What will you do if some day your son doesn't get the job he wants? Will you pull out your trump card and complain to a lawyer that he didn't get the job because of his disability? Dr. Williams (and any other superintendent) has way more important issues to deal with than team sports! Golf team is an extracurricular activity!! Had you gone to Dr. Williams with a complaint that the school did not follow through with a 504 plan or IEP and then he didn't take action, then your complaint would be legitimate! As far as the uncooperative behavior your addressed regarding the 4 school board members voicing complaints to administration...it seems as if your 4 school board members who refuse mediation are the uncooperative ones! Mrs. Schoettle,

There is a BIG difference between a child being sexually or physically abused…and having difficulty with the GOLF team!!! You really have nerve to even try to compare them!!! (Being the mother of a child who WAS sexually assaulted, I have a difficult time with you trying to put them in the same category!!) As I explained before, sexual abuse allegations do NOT stop at the superintendent level! Anyone who is making such a claim would be lying. Child protective services would NOT end an investigation of an alleged sexual assault because Dr. Williams did not cooperate!

Face it! The newspaper didn’t have much to print about your story because they realized that you were a bitter mother who was angry because her son has a disability and issues with the golf team. End of story. Not much to write! You need to understand that even kids who DON’T have disabilities don’t always make the team!!! AND they also have to deal with coaches and their criticisms, as well as not getting all the “playing time” they desire!!

Think I’m being heartless? Not at all! I, too, have a son with a disability, but I don’t use it as an excuse, nor do I let him! We realized very young that he was not as talented as some of his peers at particular sports. It doesn’t mean that he cannot still enjoy the sport if he isn’t on the school team! We also helped our son to discover other talents and interests in which he DOES excell. Our son is happy, kindhearted, and has learned to embrace his disability. He knows that God made him “special” for a reason. We also dealt with pains of our son enduring ridicule and teasing, but we taught him how to deal with disappointment and challenges in a positive manner. Our son has learned to laugh at himself and find joy through volunteering and giving of himself. He now has many kids laughing WITH him instead of AT him.

You spend WAAYYY too much time trying to fight everyone because of your anger! Focus some of that energy into helping your son find another avenue that he enjoys! What about music, drama, or art? What will you do if some day your son doesn’t get the job he wants? Will you pull out your trump card and complain to a lawyer that he didn’t get the job because of his disability?

Dr. Williams (and any other superintendent) has way more important issues to deal with than team sports! Golf team is an extracurricular activity!! Had you gone to Dr. Williams with a complaint that the school did not follow through with a 504 plan or IEP and then he didn’t take action, then your complaint would be legitimate!

As far as the uncooperative behavior your addressed regarding the 4 school board members voicing complaints to administration…it seems as if your 4 school board members who refuse mediation are the uncooperative ones!

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By: Michael Taylor http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-232 Michael Taylor Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:02:06 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-232 To Renee, I am also the parent of a special needs child. Life is not easy for him and, other than his mother and me; few understand what he goes through on a daily basis. I know very well the hurt that you feel for your child. You see the potential for your child to be successful and others just see the limitations of the child’s disability. I regret that your child has not had the same experiences as my son in the Perry Township Schools. I believe strongly that my family has been well served by this district under the leadership of Dr. Williams. I fear that the gang of four will ruin this before my son has the opportunity to graduate. I must express to you that every time Dr. Williams has met my son he (Dr. Williams) has demonstrated courtesy and genuine interest. I have always found Dr. Williams to be fair and never found him to be discriminatory. The environment that Dr. Williams created in the administration of Perry Township Schools was one of openness and compassion. He led by example. I wish you the best as you try to meet your child’s needs. It is not easy being a parent today. It can be made more difficult when your child has special needs. To Renee,

I am also the parent of a special needs child. Life is not easy for him and, other than his mother and me; few understand what he goes through on a daily basis. I know very well the hurt that you feel for your child. You see the potential for your child to be successful and others just see the limitations of the child’s disability. I regret that your child has not had the same experiences as my son in the Perry Township Schools. I believe strongly that my family has been well served by this district under the leadership of Dr. Williams. I fear that the gang of four will ruin this before my son has the opportunity to graduate.

I must express to you that every time Dr. Williams has met my son he (Dr. Williams) has demonstrated courtesy and genuine interest. I have always found Dr. Williams to be fair and never found him to be discriminatory. The environment that Dr. Williams created in the administration of Perry Township Schools was one of openness and compassion. He led by example.

I wish you the best as you try to meet your child’s needs. It is not easy being a parent today. It can be made more difficult when your child has special needs.

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By: Renee http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-236 Renee Wed, 06 Dec 2006 04:34:08 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-236 To Saddened Mom - After reading your blog, I sense you have a lot of anger inside of you. In fact, there is so much anger in your writing that you did not comprehend anything that I stated. My concern is about abuse. Abuse comes in many ways - physical, sexual, verbal, and mental. None of these are acceptable for any child to endure. My concern has nothing to do with golf. It is about discrimination against children with disabilities. Discrimination is illegal and unlawful. Yes, three years ago, we didn't have a 504 or IEP for our son. We thought the school system would do the right thing for our son, but we found out differently. We now have a 504 thanks to the Perry Township Special Education Director who suggested it in order for us to protect our son from further and ongoing discrimination in school and in school activites that are, as written in the school handbook, an integral part of the "curriculum". Because we now have a 504 for our son and the township continues to discriminate against him, the Civil Rights Commission has remanded his case and is re-opening the case for further investigation. If a teacher who also coaches discriminates against a child in an after school activity, what is the teacher doing in the classroom during the school day? It is our job as parents to be advocates for our children and to teach them to stand up for what's right and not always go with the status quo. Unless you know the real story Saddened Mom, I suggest you are careful with your comments. I have 500 pages of legal documents that I will share with you so you can comment in a more informative manner instead of spewing personal hate my way. I am not a bitter or angry person and it is quite obvious, you don't know me because if you did, you would know that I was brought up to stand up for what I believe in and not to be afraid to speak the TRUTH. The Civil Rights Commission is taking a closer look at my son's case this time because they are realizing that Perry Township may not understand what discrimination is. As an example, when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus, at first appearance, this would seem trivial, but it wasn't about a seat on the bus. It was about the right to be treated equally and with dignity. The same is true with my son and anyone else's child who would be discriminated against in violation of Civil Rights Law. It is about equal treatment under the law. Dr. Williams and his administration do not have the right to violate the law. To Saddened Mom -

After reading your blog, I sense you have a lot of anger inside of you. In fact, there is so much anger in your writing that you did not comprehend anything that I stated. My concern is about abuse. Abuse comes in many ways - physical, sexual, verbal, and mental. None of these are acceptable for any child to endure. My concern has nothing to do with golf. It is about discrimination against children with disabilities. Discrimination is illegal and unlawful. Yes, three years ago, we didn’t have a 504 or IEP for our son. We thought the school system would do the right thing for our son, but we found out differently. We now have a 504 thanks to the Perry Township Special Education Director who suggested it in order for us to protect our son from further and ongoing discrimination in school and in school activites that are, as written in the school handbook, an integral part of the “curriculum”. Because we now have a 504 for our son and the township continues to discriminate against him, the Civil Rights Commission has remanded his case and is re-opening the case for further investigation. If a teacher who also coaches discriminates against a child in an after school activity, what is the teacher doing in the classroom during the school day?

It is our job as parents to be advocates for our children and to teach them to stand up for what’s right and not always go with the status quo.

Unless you know the real story Saddened Mom, I suggest you are careful with your comments. I have 500 pages of legal documents that I will share with you so you can comment in a more informative manner instead of spewing personal hate my way. I am not a bitter or angry person and it is quite obvious, you don’t know me because if you did, you would know that I was brought up to stand up for what I believe in and not to be afraid to speak the TRUTH.

The Civil Rights Commission is taking a closer look at my son’s case this time because they are realizing that Perry Township may not understand what discrimination is. As an example, when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus, at first appearance, this would seem trivial, but it wasn’t about a seat on the bus. It was about the right to be treated equally and with dignity. The same is true with my son and anyone else’s child who would be discriminated against in violation of Civil Rights Law. It is about equal treatment under the law. Dr. Williams and his administration do not have the right to violate the law.

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By: Editor's Note http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-246 Editor's Note Thu, 07 Dec 2006 15:58:00 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-246 Editor's Note: After receiving this initial comment, I received a follow-up request from the writer asking that it be removed. She didn't intend on slandering anyone or bringing up old situations. She's tried to move on with her and her family's lives. I granted her request to remove the post from the site. Editor’s Note:

After receiving this initial comment, I received a follow-up request from the writer asking that it be removed. She didn’t intend on slandering anyone or bringing up old situations. She’s tried to move on with her and her family’s lives.

I granted her request to remove the post from the site.

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By: Admin http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-247 Admin Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:50:25 +0000 http://www.wesupportwilliams.com/news/2006/11/28/if-my-kids-were-abused-would-i-express-it-in-public/#comment-247 I'm sorry for whatever you have gone through with your daughter in her classroom. I'm curious as to what results you saw when you did as you said and contacted Channel 6 news and the Indy Star. Did you pursue anything with law enforcement authorities? I don't believe Dr. Williams had control over these groups and could not have had the story buried. Why did you just want the boys removed from your daughter's class? If it were my daughter, I'd want the boys removed period. Pushing them into someone else's class would have potentially allowed them to do the same thing to someone else's innocent daughter. I'll follow-up with the principal and try to get some more details. I’m sorry for whatever you have gone through with your daughter in her classroom. I’m curious as to what results you saw when you did as you said and contacted Channel 6 news and the Indy Star. Did you pursue anything with law enforcement authorities? I don’t believe Dr. Williams had control over these groups and could not have had the story buried. Why did you just want the boys removed from your daughter’s class? If it were my daughter, I’d want the boys removed period. Pushing them into someone else’s class would have potentially allowed them to do the same thing to someone else’s innocent daughter. I’ll follow-up with the principal and try to get some more details.

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